Why is MN so transphobic?

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I really don't understand it but it makes me sad. Trans people just want to get on with their lives and are at more risk of being harmed or murdered than anyone else.

Al backlash to what Rhi?

Trans identifying males are at a higher than average risk of murder if they are black and sex working. If they are white and not sex working they are at no greater risk of murder than the average man.

This is surely a troll?

It really pisses me off that saying something is a mental illness is seen as derogatory. Those of us with mental illnesses do not consider ourselves lesser you know. Christ.

I think it's at about 95% likely, Firenight. But I suppose there is an outside chance that this is someone genuine (though the details are getting too contradictory for my tastes).

Round and Round.
Do you believe that women with anorexia are transobese - 'I feel fat therefore I am -STAPLE MY STOMACH'.

Should the Transabled community have access to blinding and amputations and powered wheelchairs in preference to psychiatric support?

And if you don't believe that, then please explain why gender dysphoria is different to any other dysphoria.

I would imagine this sort of thing is posted to get a sort of snapshot of how 'awfully transphobic' we all are. Actually all it does - time and time again - is demonstrate just how amazingly articulate many of the gender critical posters are and how passionate many of us feel about continuing to safeguard the rights that women before us died for. I have no shame in that.

If genuine, this OP just highlights the homophobia in trans ideology.

Why is MN so transphobic? threads, a summary:

You are all transphobic! Why so much hate?
We don't hate, we are concerned about the erosion of women's rights and the ascendency of gender as a political issue.
Trans people go through so much and you're all mean as fuck
All people go through a lot, many teenagers hate their bodies and many are troubled by being gay and haven't reconciled to that yet. Most transwomen keep their penises, most children desist from dysphoria etc
plopper comes in to tell everyone that OP is right, it's disgusting... live and let live...wrong side of history... I don't care who is in the loo next to me... why do you care so much about people's genitals.... trans people are murdered at very high rates

Etc

And we all start again next week

Fruck sake.

Trans do not take up any part of my current life.

I do not not know any personally.

It is becoming a bullying thing now if you have not, or maybe will not experience trans. Or understand them and whatever.

TBH I think trans is a fad. Sorry but that is my feeling on the matter.

It is cool and fashionable. Give it a year or so and Trans will just do their own thing. As we all do.

Apparently, OP, over 80% of gender confused children grow up to be healthy well adjusted gay people. If put on puberty blockers and 'socially transitioned', though, I've read 100% become sterile, medically dependent trans adults. Puberty has essential brain development these people never experience. It's all so sad.

And yet it's transphobic to say thete should be more counselling. Howlers of 'transphobia' always say it's not true you can get puberty blockers or hormones after one or two appointments with a medical professional. But time and time again there are examples. Even this week there was an article in the Delaware (?) paper where the mother was convinced from before birth her child was a girl and saw signs apparently, through babyhood. That child was on blockers after two sessions. Also look at Jazz Jennings, who now has to cope with the public knowing she will have a tiny child sized penis as an adult. It's just tragic what's happening to these children.

Where did this transphobic issue come from so recently? It has become the cause du jour now.

I think it's a conspirancy myself. Never had to think about transgender within the last five years or so, nor worry about it at all. It is what it is.

But now I have to, and be politically correct AGAIN a bit mad in my mind anyway.

Where did it all come from. Do I need to know all this genderism really.

I don't think so.

Does anyone need to know about me.

It's the strength of the trans lobby, the move to "self identification", the fashion of transing children, moving male prisoners to the women's estate, men on women's hospital wards, the erosion of women's rights.

Why not keep it private and just get on with it.

Otherwise it involves everyone, and for what end I often ask myself.

But we now HAVE to bow down to trans stuff.

Well sorry I won't. It is a personal thing surely, and I reckon the majority of trans do not want publicity either. Well the real trans people not the drama queens.

If you are genuinely intrested, Transanity is a good youtube channel by a gender critical transwomen who has been an "out" transexual since the 80's so has a good grasp on issues within a recent historical context. She gets a lot of bashing by the actavists (and can sometimes labour the point) but she is clear and articulate - might help.

It may be easier to engage with someone who has been through some of what you have and can frame things from that perspective, although she is very rigerous in her critique (and goes further with her inferences than many on here do) so maybe don't watch if you're feeling fragile.

Transanity may help you see why the current Trans-ideology is bad for females but why it is also a significant threat to transwomen and their ability to live a peaceful life.

Oh and one of my boys loves My Little Pony, is obsessed with Cakes Wars and wants to be able to decorate cakes - he is still male though. They are just preferences and if society stopped insisting that they mean something, he'd be free to be open about them instead of being scared that other kids would tease him about it which boils my piss, frankly.

Transgender is your own identity.

Why does it require acceptance. No one gives a damn unless you turn up in fishnet tights as a six and a half ft tall former male.

It is just all too complicated. But it is so rare too. So I will respect them, but will not devote my life to them either.

Why do people who can't even be bothered to invent a username start yet another thread asking why mumsnetters are so mean to trans people, when they clearly haven't read any of the previous bazillion identical threads on the subject, explaining that mumsnetters aren't, in fact, mean to trans people?

First words out of my Anthropology professors mouth on day one of lectures were "Gender is a social construct, sex is biological". That was nearly 20 years ago. Gender is made up by society usually to the detriment of the child bearers of the species in Western culture and is defined differently the world over depending on the social constructs.

Being gender critical is not the same as being transphobic. Being "trans" something is the new way of expressing yourself it seems. I had a great phase of being goth and bisexual in my youth. I was also wiccan for a time. Damn the patriarchy I refuse to wear pretty clothes for boys to look at and will worship mother earth rather than a patriarchal male god. Wonder if now a days I would experiment with being trans because I dont adhere to gender norms of what a woman is. I don't think anyone does though. My son(age 3) is obsessed with pink and dolls, my daughter would rather be a boy any day of the week because she thinks they are better and have more freedoms (age 7). Doesn't mean they will be trans when they are older. I just want them to be comfortable in their own skin. They can do "boy" or "girl" things and still be themselves.

I have seen friends become more and more competitive to show how cool and accepting they are. A friend of ours is a transwoman in a relationship with another transwoman. Very recently she had surgery to get rid of her penis. She had a post up about saying the final goodbye to the "oul lad" and might keep it in a jar. People flocked to her post telling her that the government and NHS should realise that gender realignment surgery was life saving, even more important than lung and heart transplants. It was even more critical for funding to be in place so every transperson could get surgery asap ahead of those waiting for organ transplants or waiting for life saving surgery because didn't we all realise how important it is for a transperson to have their lives saved by surgery. My friend told them that while she appreciated the sentiment, her surgery was elective and while necessary to her does not mean it is more important than people who are at deaths door. She also mentioned how talk of surgery being more important than transplants put undue pressure on young impressionable teens who were going through a tough time of self discovery and it had taken her to the age of nearly 40 to get surgery because it was what she needed but not everyone does. It cant be undone. Teenagers are telling their parents that unless they are given the funds and go ahead to transition fully they will kill themselves. How is that ok? Many of these young people are just fighting against gender stereotypes, maybe their sexuality and feel or are told as the OP was that if you like "girl" things then you are a girl. Its damaging for anyone to think like that.

For those who think that by being supportive of the gay community you must, by necessity, be supportive of the trans community, this is from an article written by a transwomen. Who has detransitioned after going through some horrific experiences.

Trans is nothing like the rest of the LGB community. There are calls, particularly from lesbians (who are far more persecuted than anyone else by the trans lobby), to drop the T from LGB.

Practical LGB members might want to take this opportunity to disentangle themselves from the lunacy of today’s trans-rights movement. This will disassociate their movement in the public eye from people whom research shows have high incidents of psychological disorders linked with their transgender expression

thefederalist.com/2016/04/21/drop-the-t-from-lgbt/

An example of Transanity's video's...

Hi op! Welcome to Mumsnet!

To start, you might want to change your username to something more personable. The standard username isn't very popular.

BenLinusatemyhomework

Thanks for that video. Very interesting.

I still think she comes at it from a fairly male point of view, not really realising that gender itself is used to harm women (perhaps she does in another videos). But she certainly recognises the sexual motivations behind a lot of it and therefore understands boundaries very well.

I can see how she gets a lot of backlash from TRAs.

If all transwomen were like her from the very beginning, I don't suppose many people would've had a problem. But as, what she calls the 'trans-fascists', have become so high-profile, the battlelines have been drawn differently.

For instance, I don't suppose many people, other than radfems, had done much analysis of gender, until the issue was forced by the TRAs.

But now pink/blue has become a fairly hot topic and people are seeing it for what it is and how it is used. Both currently, with children, and historically to keep women in their place.

Still, I'm glad she is posting. I disagree with the basis of the ideology, but in terms of compromise, if there has to be one, I think she is getting it right.

I don't mind if someone identifies as female. I feel that all public toilets should be unisex individual lockable units. All containing a toilet, urinal, sink and mirror. Kind of like a row of accessible/disabled toilets. (No I do not think that being trans is a disability)

However I won't be schooled on womanhood and what that is by someone who hasn't spent their life in a female body and therefore been defined by it. To whatever degree. From street harassment all the way to rape via groping and unacceptable experiences in the workplace.

Am I transphobic? Genuine question. I only know how I feel and am sometimes unsure of how to proceed when discussing this issue.

Arealhumanbeing

You are being massively transphobic and cissexist too, I'm afraid.