To ask if you think Jeremy Corbin will stand down after GE?

[LenaDunham]

Sorry, I know there are so many threads about the GE/politics.

I am just wondering what will happen after the GE. I am a Labour supporter and will vote Labour but I think it is highly likely Labour will come out very badly.

Will Jererny resign? Will there be a split? Are we really going to have Tory gov't again???

Anyone have any insights to give me hope?

Jesus, the arrogance of some people. Many life long Labour people like me can see through media spin, are not deluded or taken in. What we see is a Party falling apart while the Tories destroy the NHS, and whip up a terrible, dangerous form of popularism. Corbyn should be raking in Labour votes in this context, but he is a shit, incompetent leader. He's bad for the Party and bad for democracy.

He and his sidekicks want to control the Party more than they want to win an election. In the meantime, the queues at foodbanks grow and schools are further starved of funds. They should hang their heads.

I can hardly begin to tell you how upset and angry about this I am.

I won't vote for a party that can't even organise itself let alone a country. They had ample opportunity to set the agenda and show themselves to be organised and ready to lead. They failed. JC must take most of the responsibility for that failure. I desperately want to vote for a strong opposition to the present government but right now it doesn't exist. Labour are disorganised, off message, it's own candidates don't mention JC on the doorstep because he is a poisoned chalice, the new labour mayor of Manchester pretty much hid from him yesterday - as much as I detest Blair he at least inspired loyalty from his own politicians! Corbyn can't even do that so how the hell can ordinary voters look at him and say 'yes, this is the man I want to get us through the next few difficult years' when he can't even keep his own cabinet in line?

Silky

If there is any chance at all of beating the tories it is for the left to unite behind corbyn regardless of your feelings about him

But can't you see the problem that some people have with that? They don't want the Tories in power but don't trust labour to do a better job either. You can't expect people to unite behind someone they have no faith in.

I have no love of the tories but I am far from sure a Corbyn premiership, and those he chooses to surround himself with, will be any good for the country either. I think they will be as divisive and damaging as the Tories. I know many people feel the same way as I do, and will vote accordingly.

We need you 20nil! Join us!

Oh and I'll probably vote LD this time round. Our MP has been banned from standing (Danczuk) so it's a bit more open than usual.

The Tories are wrecking my country. Council housing gone, billions in CHB paid out to private landlords, privatized essential services, people dying from benefit sanctions, people dying of thirst in hospital.
the banks caused a depression and you all went along with blaming Gordon Brown. The National Debt has increased under the Tories and economists say their policies are not working ffs.

Truth finally spoken!

Havingahorridtime So you are happy to lose the NHS. Well done you.

Well firstly, we don't have proportional representation and labour cannot win my seat. They couldn't even win it when labour were at their most popular. So I won't be giving my vote to labour because all it would achieve is showing support for Corbyn and I don't support him.
He is a weak leader and he is putting his own self importance before the needs of the party. Despite the fact he is handing a victory to the tories he won't go. If anything Voebyn is the one who wants to ruin the NHS by refusing to step down when it became clear that his own party members and the public did not support him In high enough numbers to be an effective opposition to the tories.

Of course he will go. He respects democracy and actually has integrity unlike most politicians.

I am one of you. Party member and activist for years!

Remember that TM needed the labour party to agree to the election, he very fact that he agreed (despite all the evidence that he's going to get absolutely hammered) is all the proof I need that he's completely deluded (labour voter here who will be voting lib dem this time)

Ch4 news were interviewing people in Notts and BBC news were interviewing people in Liverpool about the local elections. The number of 'life-long Labour voters' saying they were switching to the Tories because they didn't like Jeremy Corbyn was surprising. Why would you switch to a party with completely different values just because you didn't like the leader? I don't get it. Even if you don't like Corbyn, you could still give your vote to another left-leaning party or an independent.

Just reading these posts is utterly depressing. The press have really done a number on Corbyn and the public. We will only ever have different shades of right wing in this country unless people open their eyes and stop talking in sound bites that they heard on the BBC. It makes me despair that people are such sheep, it really does. The Tories will get in again, inequality will grow and people will just keep voting for it because that's what they are conditioned to do. Seriously, people are literally dying due to Tory polices and cuts!!! When is this going to change!? I actually want to cry.

Sadly though it's nothing to do with his policies. He's a divisive figure and in any other organisation you would not have as the manager someone that had rebelled against the manager for 30 years. I do think certain members of the PLP have been equally uncompromising and led to the fractured party as it is today, but as the leader should be bringing people together, not the opposite.

The last two years has seen such a shit show of crushing policies from the tories that labour should be flying high now. But where has Corbyn been when TM brought about cuts after cuts after cuts? The clue is in the name - leader of the opposition - and JC's ability to oppose anyone not in his own party has been distinctly lacking.

That is not saying he's not a good campaigner, or indeed politician, he's just not a good leader.

Gotta, labeling people sheep because they've come to a different conclusion to you is just possibly not the way to win back their support.

Ffs.

GottaCatchEmAll137

Corbyn's terrorist connections are well known he has spoken about them and they haven't been hugely reported on, we saw his stance during the referendum campaign refusing to share a platform with Cameron, we have seen his poor performance in parliament, his attendance of rallies when their is more important work to be done like creating a Brexit plan of their own is just one example, (invited to them being a party member), his appalling actions or non actions when one of his MP's was heckled at a very sensitive press conference and he say there doing nothing yet had time to tell the heckler he would be in touch when leaving shambles of a conference and let's not forget that speech he made

But yes that old line I have fallen for the spin - it's you the man isn't principled and doesn't care enough for those he claims to care about so much as political ideology is more important to him than being in a position of real responsibility where he could make a difference he isn't so stupid to not know that he needs to appeal to centre voters but he is that selfish to not care abou appealing to them

More fool you and other Corbyn supporters

My vote is up for grabs this time around.
JC was my local MP for a number of years. I voted for him and he was excellent, committed and easy to access. I liked that he challenged the Labour party again and again because a variety of voices and views are needed to shape policies.
However the Labour party AS A WHOLE has failed to capitalise on everything that has happened (struggling NHS, grammer schools, austerity measures, clear Brexit plan etc) and genuinely fucked up in some areas (Ken Livingstone and the failure to drive out antisemites for example).
I think the party is going through some kind of transition and hopefully will emerge revitalised but right now they appear to be divided and in turmoil (not just a variety of views but at war with each other) which is the last thing we need.
Whatever happens I wont vote Tory but I am investigating my other options and will choose whichever party best represents my hopes for our future.

Exactly tea. I won't be voting labour or Tory but I am waiting on all the manifestos before I make a decision on what to do. Currently we only have candidates for labour, lib dem and Tory in my area so unless I really like the lib dem manifesto I may spoil my ballot for the first time.

A new centre left "No Jeremy" party for all those who want to be electable, leaving Jezza, Dianne, McWotsit in the Momentum Party.

Corbyn's terrorist connections are not 'well known'. He has opened up lines of communication with terrorists just like many politicians including Tony Blair have done before him. This kind of communication has resulted in peace treaties in the past including with the IRA.

I can understand people not liking Corbyn, I can understand them thinking he is a weak leader (though I think the PLP behaved reprehensible when he had won a clear mandate to lead the party - had they got behind him then things would be looking very different), but I don't understand what these 'far left' policies are that everybody is banging on about. Corbyn is not ultra-left wing, it's just that the other parties have shifted so far to the right and the media are barking on about the hard left when there is no such thing in this country (ok, there may be, but not in the Labour Party)

And I agree with the PP - if you are a life time labour voter there is no way you should be voting Tory - there are lots of alternatives if you really hate Corbyn that much and if it's a straight two way split where you are surely you would rather abstain or spoil your vote

Personally, I don't entirely buy all the "genuine, honest, man of principal" things trotted out

I agree with you on this. I think he lied over his feelings on brexit. Like he lied over that stupid train photo of him sitting on the floor. So either he's dishonest or he is very weak willed. His determination to stay shows it's not the latter, as such it has to be he is dishonest and willing to lie to the British public.

Corbyn is supposed to be the new Messiah for promoting social equality (a fellow labour party member told me, a few weeks ago, that's why he paid his subs).

*Example, Corbyn strongly supports equal opportunities for women.
Except when it came to making his initial shadow cabinet appointments.

*Example, Corbyn wants to unilaterally nuclear disarm. Because, er, that will really make the UK equal powers with Russia only 1000 miles away.

*Example, Corbyn is in favour of no tuition fees.

Even though tuition fees helps most the people who are already advantaged enough to have got the exam results to get accepted to university. Removing tuition fees are a very ineffective way to help socially disadvantaged families. It's not a good equality promoting policy at all. But it is great for attracting youth vote (sadly no good for preschooler votes, whose families really need support).

I don't need the media to do a hatchet job. Corbyn himself does the hatchet job. What good ideas he does have are pretty irrelevant since he'll never get in power with his lack of ability to get confidence from PLP & most voters.

And I agree with the PP - if you are a life time labour voter there is no way you should be voting Tory - there are lots of alternatives if you really hate Corbyn that much and if it's a straight two way split where you are surely you would rather abstain or spoil your vote

Yeah right, I'll just let Sturgeon dictate the agenda then. On the basis of the local results Tories look to have a good chance of taking my constituency back from the Nats. I'm certainly not going to sit back and do nothing.

I'm not blind to the fact he is not the strongest leader and has many flaws, what I don't understand is the idea that he would be 'just as bad' as the conservatives when the effects of austerity are there for all to see. TM is not strong either, she repeats strong and stable like a mantra because even she doesn't really believe it. I understand people voting tory in the past because they used to be good on the economy, jobs and so forth. But they no longer stand for that. I asked people who voted labour and now want the tories in to give me 3 policies that make you want the tories in and i'm yet to hear an answer apart from JC is a bit shit. That is what I struggle to understand.