To ask if you think Jeremy Corbin will stand down after GE?

[LenaDunham]

Sorry, I know there are so many threads about the GE/politics.

I am just wondering what will happen after the GE. I am a Labour supporter and will vote Labour but I think it is highly likely Labour will come out very badly.

Will Jererny resign? Will there be a split? Are we really going to have Tory gov't again???

Anyone have any insights to give me hope?

birds I hope you aren't right about that but I fear you are. How we are going to come back from this I don't know.

Yeah. The Conservatives have an innate desire to be in power and belief that it's their natural home as part of their DNA. I won't say ideology because I think generally, that pragmatism and need to be in charge has trumped actual ideology most of the time. That's the huge difference between them and Labour. The number of people within Labour who are much less bothered about being in power than they are about keeping ideologically pure is much lower, or at least much less influential.

Wasn't New Labour a shift to the right in order to have a chance at getting power?

Pretty much, although they could hardly have gone much further left. But look at where they all are now. Hardly anyone New Labour is still around. I have/had a number of issues with New Labour, but I can't help wondering what would happen if Balls and David Milliband were still around.

Do people think the momentum labour know how they are seen by those of us who were labour but don't feel they belong anymore?

Do they care?

Do people think the momentum labour know how they are seen by those of us who were labour but don't feel they belong anymore?

Well I think you have to view it in terms of an evolution of thought. The Party has moved forward away from some of the more problematic aspects of Blairism.

But again this is all down to a democratic vote (two) of the membership. The membership can grow and change. Everyone is invited to join.

The key thing is to remember the key components of the Labour ethos - fairer distribution of wealth, a working greener economy, worker rights, strong social provisions, equality, state ownership of industry (where it is in the best interest), environmental protection and equality in education.

Basically the opposite of Tory.

Evolution of thought. You are kidding surely. These people haven't changed their thinking in 40 years.

Evolution of thought. You are kidding surely. These people haven't changed their thinking in 40 years.

Well, take climate change for instance, perhaps it can be said that communitarianism is old-fashioned, but it looks like this is the sort of thing that is actually forward-thinking when it comes to healing the environment.

I really hope Corbyn, Abbott & McDonnell stay on. They really are truly brilliant

IT does look like communism.
And backward looking.
Isn't it better to have some of what you want rather than nothing because you were unable to persuade enough people to vote for you?

Compromise is often a good position.

And look, if you have to vote Libdem (or want to vote Libdem) do it! Just don't pull that Tory lever! We can't give them a walk-over

But it's already been handed to them a gift from Corbyn/his team and Momentum oh and his supporters they couldn't ask for a better opposition when the country has a General Election

The damage that will be done is Corbyn's own doing and McDonnell, Thornberry, Abbott, Rayner and the few other MP's, Momentum and those that still support within the Labour Party membership are also to blame for putting their beliefs first and no what is better for the electorate and that will be held against all for quite some time and so it should

He won't leave. He still has to finish dismantling the Party and reforming it in the way the Left wants. That's his legacy - it's all about the argument not about electability.

Naze re:"I really hope Corbyn, Abbott & McDonnell stay on. They really are truly brilliant"

Yep - they are a brilliant gift to Teresa May.

Rather than enable an effective left wing opposition they have given an immense opportunity for the Tories to move further to the right unchallenged.

The fate of this election is not going to be decidedly by the party "faithful" on either side.

It's the floating voters for who the current labour leadership have demonstrably no appeal. This is why many Labour Member like myself do not support them.

There is no sea change on the horizon here. Just this aching chasm of political choice as the Labour Party is increasingly hijacked by a tiny socialist proportion of the population that seem utterly without any sense of political reality and the notion of electability.

Does no good to evolve your thought way beyond the electorate though...

Look, I'll probably vote labour regardless. But that way of looking at it is not at all helpful.

He won't leave. He still has to finish dismantling the Party and reforming it in the way the Left wants

I'm inclined to agree - I really do think they're that committed to their political experiment

You should read this
www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy
and this
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/27/the-reclusive-hedge-fund-tycoon-behind-the-trump-presidency
this is not a normal situation.
It seems an American billionaire is funding the Conservative campaign - the same one who funded Brexit andTrump. He's some wierd loner type who's got so much money he's decided to change the world order.
It's not joke one's in the guardian and the other in The New Yorker.
I'm voting for Jeremy - poor man is just the victim of a meglomanic's master plan.

Puzzled Guido Fawkes reckons there are reforms planned for The Annual conference by Momentum Etc. I'm not even a Labour voter but it makes me sad.

Lougle, as a teacher of kids from less privileged backgrounds, I'd say it's a great use of money - it's hard to learn if you're hungry! It's a sad state of affairs, but for some of ours, it might be all they're getting. Maybe it should depend on the area. Maybe Corbyn should just do it in poorer areas. I think To be honest, I'd rather have someone's a bit slapdash with numbers but passionate about the NHS running the country than someone who just wants to sell it off. I read that the amount of money taxpayers give to private companies the government contracts to do NHS work is something like £13b a year! Even I was shocked. I think it's important to decide what's important and what isn't, really.

Threegirls, that's just chilling

People who are slapdash with numbers end up running out of cash.

Labour Party is increasingly hijacked by a tiny socialist proportion of the population

Look, speaking about the compromise mentioned above, we agree on so much. There is a vehicle for democratic change within the party. We are not talking about trying to change the minds of millions.

end up running out of cash.

Just a bit of economic growth helps out tremendously. Labour has made growth a major tenet of their platform. I have yet to hear the Tories give it even passing consideration. The morbid state of the economy is working for them.

I live In the rural north west, we are a poor area, we have urge social inequalities, a failing hospital and a reliance on the nuclear industry.

We are desperate for a Labour Party that understands our issues and can help us move forward but Corbyn and his pals are way more interested in socialist ideology from the 1970s than representing us. If I still held the views I held in the 1970 s I'd still think David Soul was a god.

I am not a corbyn supporter. But the Tories economic policy does not work. National economic policy should not be confused with how households have to manage money.

Momentum just exist in a circle jerk of confirmation bias.