To ask if you think Jeremy Corbin will stand down after GE?

[LenaDunham]

Sorry, I know there are so many threads about the GE/politics.

I am just wondering what will happen after the GE. I am a Labour supporter and will vote Labour but I think it is highly likely Labour will come out very badly.

Will Jererny resign? Will there be a split? Are we really going to have Tory gov't again???

Anyone have any insights to give me hope?

That's one of the problems right there in silkybear's post. There can't possibly be lifelong Labour supporters who are switching parties so they have to be paid trolls. Ffs campaigners have talked about hearing precisely that sentiment on the doorsteps of labour supporters! Ignoring what many ordinary voters are saying then throwing blame around is going to kill a once proud political party, because you can bet your arse it won't be the leaderships fault.

Yes.

What the fuck? It makes no sense at all and leads me to believe these posts are tory paid trolls

Ah you think mumsnet has paid Tory trolls on it. 😂😂😂

You're not really helping the Labour Party by coming up with deranged consipiracy theories you know. If you wish to take the discussion take it, but when you get all nutty it just damages your credibility and makes folks think that anyone who is still voting labour is equally as nutty.

I've voted Labour my whole life and I will spoil my ballot this time around.

I cannot vote for a party with him at the helm.

Because 80 million people asked her to do the job.

Errr, no they didn't. How she is repeatedly voted in as an MP in her constituent is beyond me but 80m certainly didn't ask her to do the job.
I hope she and Corbyn both lose their seats in the GE. I am a lifelong labour supporter but I am very angry about how these two in particular have decimated the party and made the tories stronger.

I do think Corbyn gets a hard time in the media, but his problems IMHO run far deeper than that. I will preface this by saying I am not a Tory voter- I'm a floating voter. But won't be voting for labour.

Personally, I don't entirely buy all the "genuine, honest, man of principal" things trotted out. I think there are some things he does genuinely believe and campaign for. However, he is not the messiah/saviour that so many Labour supporters see. Some of them would practically canonise him! I find it bizarre.

Look at the anti-semitism debacle and how quickly Shami Chakrabarti got into the Lords following her very favourable support, it just looks fishy. The whole Ken Livingstone affair does not look good. Over brexit he said he was remain but was virtually invisible and gave very weak support when he did deign to speak- which I think suggests he said one thing in public and another in private. Man of principle? Only on certain things would be my assessment.

He has been a professional rebel as a backbencher but doesn't like it when others do the same. He does not have good leadership skills and, mostly, does a poor job of doing what opposition leaders should so- holding the government of the day to account. It's all quite chaotic.

Added to this, he surrounds himself with people like McDonnell who strike me as untrustworthy and sanctimonious. And Dianne Abbott who has an unfortunate knack for sounding utterly patronising (as well has her tendency to hypocrisy). Momentum in itself has a very unpleasant side to it. I find it hard to articulate, but I find this wing of the party deeply unpleasant, they make me very uneasy.

Then look at the policies. Some policies are good, but they aren't costed properly. Not that Labour are unique in that- but when your ratings on economic competence aren't great, I'm afraid that you need to be more accurate and show that the perception if incompetence is not well deserved. Perhaps not fair but it is reality! One example for me is the revenue raised by their proposed changes to CGT has been spent several times over. Then we are told that the previous policies were only "suggestions" of how they "could" spend the money. Again, it seems chaotic.

The one thing I never liked about labour was the tendency to playground infighting and refusal to compromise (loathe the tories but they pull together when it counts to gain power).

Blair, whatever you think of him, got labour disciplined, united and electable so some actual labour policies could be enacted.

I'm now embarrassed by the childish squabbling and playing into the hands of the 'can't be trusted with the economy' trope, and disgusted by the awful behaviour that's being tolerated.

JC and friends may better represent labour's traditional ideals, but in electability terms they're a waste of space. Supporters can complain about the nasty media all they like but IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE so what's Plan B?

Labour was also formed, incidentally, to seek power and without a bit of compromise it's not happening, ever. Without electability it's just rallies and marches and agreeing with each other ie achieving fuck all.

I was a staunch labour supporter, but they have forfeited my loyalty. I would never vote tory, but can well imagine some voters feeling they must vote for the only party able to provide a workable government.

I wouldn't call a Tory government workable. I suppose it depends on what your definition of workable is.

I hope all the labour voters saying he won't win do actually go and vote. He might win if people who haven't voted before do this time. Alot of young people have registered to vote for the first time. What will guarantee a loss is if half the labour voters decide he won't win so whats the point, or they don't like corbyns tie or some such bollocks. If there is any chance at all of beating the tories it is for the left to unite behind corbyn regardless of your feelings about him. Otherwise you can kiss your nhs goodbye as TM spends our taxes on bombing syria. It's your choice!

stubborn contrarian. He'll have to be dragged away kicking & screaming... Donald Trump type love of the adulation?

the hate for him is baffling

www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/05/newspapers-talking-tory-surge-scotland-are-missing-point
Lilian Greenwood's account is the type of story that swayed me. Describes how JC undermines & disrespects his colleagues. I'd support JC if he was a good leader -- he's not.

The Tories would love it if he did, because there isnt a clear candidate to contest him. thats whey he's been elected, twice.

If people want to lose the NHS and have Trumpcare they should vote for anyone other than Labour.

He's convinced that left wing politics is best for this country but the problem is that the vast majority of voters disagree and he's too stubborn to accept it and let in a more centrist leader, who'd stand a chance of challenging Conservative welfare reforms. He's letting down disabled people and low-paid workers - who will advocate for them when the Cons extend their majority next month? I hope he sees the error of his ways and stands down but I suspect he's too obstinate.

Ok look the troll thing was a bit tongue in cheek, but even if you loathe Corbyn surely the next step is green or lib dem not tory? I want to understand the logic but I just don't. What 3 conservative policies make you want to vote for them? I'm all ears...

Talk about jobs in for the boys, it's school tie, hilarious.

Lifelong Labour supporters, join the party. Stop waiting on the second coming. Make it happen. Set the agenda.

I'm sure the Tories are paying Jeremy because he really is that bad!!!

He has absolutely made a mockery of Labour and his cabinet are weak.

He is an utter joke the Tories know it and love it too!

He'll have to go if labour lose the election. I voted for him in the recent labour leadership elections and I do believe in his policies but if he can't take the country with him then he is no good for the party. I think most of the pro corbyn elements within the party membership would vote for new leadership if labour loses by a landslide and if the membership says he has got to go then he has to go.

silky I'm lifelong labour and won't be voting labour this time unless something really drastic happens between Now and the GE. I certainly won't be voting Tory either.

silkybear the first election I voted in was 1979 , voted Labour and have done so in every one since.

I am in Scotland and will be voting Conservative. It is clear from the Council elections here that droves of Labour supporters have switched. The loss of Labour councillors was exactly mirrored by Conservative gains.

For No independence voters voting Tory is the only realistic option. Corbyn would be a disaster if there was a repeat of Better Together.

Havingahorridtime So you are happy to lose the NHS. Well done you.

I fucking despair, I really do.

This is what I don't understand. People would prefer austerity and a privatised NHS because they don't like the fact Diane Abbott is home sec or some such bollocks

No he won't resign

It's more important for him to keep the party true to an ideology of the far left that appeals to a few

If he isn't forced out Labour will have to split and Corbyn won't have a job as an MP for much longer

Yes the press do like to highlight his incompetence it's hard to show him in a good light when he has no leadership skills and his team are so unprofessional and when they do try a by of media spin they fuck it up (traingate) but the press have largely ignored him as he seems so irrelevant only thing he is good at is speaking at rallies and losing Labour voter support. Should the press wish to they could absolutely trash his principled politician persona apart a few headline stories of his connections some pictures and video clips will do that easily. If Labour pick up in the polls we shall no doubt see this

He should but idk if he will. He's not a good leader. Excellent policies, but really poor leadership. I voted for him first time round as I wanted the left of Labour to bring their ideas and perspectives to the forefront, but for Owen the next time as I felt it was time to move on to electability and that Jeremy's job of changing the debate hado been done. I left the party when he three line whipped MPs to vote for the triggering of art.50. I'll rejoin after we have suffered the crushing defeat coming our way next month and maybe we can then find a way to regroup and pick a leader who is actually going to give us a chance of winning again. I'm sick of friends saying to me better Corbyn than Blairites, what the fuck is the point of eternal opposition? I don't value ideological purity over actual power and the chance to actually do something.

I think the party could well split again. Maybe we have to, but that will be sad. Labour should be a very broad church.

The Tories are wrecking my country. Council housing gone, billions in CHB paid out to private landlords, privatized essential services, people dying from benefit sanctions, people dying of thirst in hospital.
the banks caused a depression and you all went along with blaming Gordon Brown. The National Debt has increased under the Tories and economists say their policies are not working ffs.
Benefit cuts and sanctions, people are dying. Working people have to use food banks.
Tax cuts for the rich, tax evasion, jobs for the boys. There is nothing positive about the Tories.

HomityBabbityPie becuase we are taking about voting for a government to run our economy to lead us through the complexities of Brexit, to work in be best interests of the country, who will not dither on matters of national security not a group of union leaders that might make a change

And Labour are not looking capable of doing that at all under Corbyn and his team they are terribly unprofessional