To ask if you think Jeremy Corbin will stand down after GE?

[LenaDunham]

Sorry, I know there are so many threads about the GE/politics.

I am just wondering what will happen after the GE. I am a Labour supporter and will vote Labour but I think it is highly likely Labour will come out very badly.

Will Jererny resign? Will there be a split? Are we really going to have Tory gov't again???

Anyone have any insights to give me hope?

Does it matter? We have no one to replace him who is better.

I think there are quite a few who would do well
Yvette Cooper
Keir Starmer
Lisa Nandy (she might be a bit inexperienced now but I think she will be great on the future)
Hilary Benn
Dan Jarvis

I'm a labour member and I'm despairing at his 'leadership' He's a narcissist, otherwise why else wouldn't he have stood down by now? He's doomed us all to a huge Tory majority for the next 5 years where they can kill off the NHS once and for all, cut money for education, make life harder still for disabled people and pursue a hard Brexit. Fucking hell.

The diverse elected MPs who have no confidence in corbyn and the other leaders are not sheep

Yeah you're damn right they're not. They have their own agenda.

I've not called anyone who has taken the time to research and form their own opinion a sheep. Moreover, I haven't called anyone a sheep simply because they disagree with my own opinion. What I'm referring to is the staggering amount of people who have jumped on the Corbyn bashing bandwagon without bothering to form a real opinion of their own. I speak to so many who declare they don't like Corbyn because he's not a good leader yet they can't really elaborate on why apart from the fact they've heard it repeated so many times on the news. So unfortunately yes they are sheep! Get an informed opinion or stop repeating sound bites for the fucking sake of it.

Plenty of informed opinion on this thread, but you didn't make the distinction till you were called on it. If you're trying to convince people on other forums to change their minds you might want to keep in mind how that came across, then.

As prime minister, leadership is a key role, if voters are not convinced by his leadership, and there is enough evidence, to form an opinion , they are entitled to it. Repeating that people are sheep is arrogant and disrespectful. His leadership is embarrassing, the shambolic weak position on the EU referendum for one, his choice of cabinet, Diane Abbott etc.., his complete lack of self reflection is a massive red flag.

The current Labour Party is Corbyn's ego trip.

It's as if he is getting revenge for the years of being in the wilderness.

If he really had the Labour Party's interest at heart (and that of the country) he would resign.

I have to say I hope he stays on; but for purely selfish reasons. If he stays, then that guarantees a Tory government in power for a good few years, which can only be a good thing?

Agree Tiggy. And I've said the exact same myself on threads. My post was very tongue in cheek, as I absolutely think having credible decent opposition is a healthy situation in politics. It reigns parties in.

Getting really concerned that legitimate debate is getting shut down. That even though the referendum was one on a very slim majority that questioning the hard Brexit TM stance is seen as being in Mail/ Daily express terms as being a 'saboteur '. Now more than ever we need a strong effective opposition/ challenge to these views.

teawamutu thanks for your advice but I had no intention of persuading people to change their minds when posting. We are well beyond that - especially in this echo chamber. Anyway, I'm bowing out now but for one last point - of course Corbyn will stand down if he doesn't win the GE. He's not some Nigel Farage despot although many apparently think him so!

It's brainwashed Momentum Corbyn acolytes like you Gottocatchem that have infiltrated and ruined the Labour Party & condemned us to at least another 5 years of the Tories.

This thread has been full of reasoned justification on why long time labour voters cannot stomach Corbyn and his appalling 'leadership' yet you choose to ignore this & come back with your 'sheep' response time and again.

It's left wing intellectual pygmies in their sanctimonious echo chambers who are blind to the reality of UK society that have completely messed up Labour. So pat yourselves on the back.

The UK has not been left wing for nearly 40 years, and I doubt we will be again. We're centrist with a natural leaning to the right, Blair knew this, which is why he had to move Labour to the centre to have any chance of getting into Govt, and by doing so the Tories knew they had to compromise their own right wing and come into the centre too with Cameron. It's because Labour is such a fucking shambles at the moment offering no real opposition that the Tories are able to shift back out to the right unchallenged.

Blair also knew that Labour needed to become a party of aspiration. Corbyn views aspiration as a dirty word, he harks back to a cliched 70s view of the world where the state will supposedly take care of everything, all business is bad and aspiration to improve your own circumstances makes you a red Tory.

I could give you a long list of valid thought out reasons why Corbyn is a shit leader, but seeing as you'll ignore it, what's the point? You go back to your sanctimonious left wing circle jerk where you all complain about MSM conspiracies & how everyone else is a sheep before watching I Daniel Blake for the 10th time this week.

OMG Bluntness100 seriously your DD doing a law degree thinks TM could go into coalition with JC. Never mind the delusion that Labour might win, that is just mental. What planet are the hard left on?

She even has an A star in government and politics at a level. She's very pragmatic in everything else, but not when it comes to the Labour Party. Honestly it's the most bizzare thing ever. What's even worse is she's been privately educated since the age of four, has had all the privileges and flirts with the idea of wanting to be the first female labour prime minister. I'm still not sure she won't actually go into politics and attempt it.

I genuinely don't know where she gets it from. But she is like many of the posters on this thread, very ideological in terms of an equal society and the Labour Party ideals. Politics are the only thing I disagree with her on. I love her to bits but can't get my head round how this is the one thing she is clearly deluded on,I actually think she believes the shit they tell her.

Blackadder Goes Forth, court martial episode:

Edmund: George, I'm in trouble here. I need to construct a case that's as watertight as a mermaid's brassiere. I'm not sure your particular brand of mindless optimism is going to contribute much to the proceedings.

George: Well, that's a shame, sir, because I was planning on playing the mindless optimism card very strongly.

Edmund: I beg your pardon?

George: Yes, I've already planned my closing address based on that very thing. Oh, go on, let him off, your honor, please! It's a lovely day. Pretty clouds, trees, birds, etc. I rest my case.

#soundfamiliar?

succulentchinesemeal I agree with every word you've said.

I'm in my late 30's. My vision of the Labour Party was Blair's New Labour. I say I've always voted Labour but what I mean is since I've been of voting age the party has been centrist. Voting for Ed Miliband was a stretch for me.

It doesn't matter if the left of the party call me Tory Lite Labour will never govern again unless they can win votes from the centre and the left.

I voted for him & im not a Tory

GottaCatchEm the very fact that we are in the position we are now is all the evidence you need that Corbyn is a terrible leader. If you are a good leader, you take the parliamentary party with you. If you are a good leader you work out a way to work with the press. If you are a good leader you don't lose 350 seats in local elections from a benchmark achieved by Ed Miliband. Jeremy Corbyn may be many things. A good leader he is not.

SucculentChineseMeal I also completely agree with your post

Yes, apologies - I forgot the Labour Party was doing so well before Corbyn got in and ruined it. Centrist with a natural leaning to the right was really winning wasn't it!

The very fact that you think that politics has a 'natural leaning' feeds into my entire point about sheep. How about trying to develop an view independent of political leanings?

Fucksake. A country's culture or tendency can absolutely be tracked.

And you've just proved you do think anyone who doesn't agree with you is a sheep.

No - I've just expressed concern about anyone who thinks that the political system of a country has a natural leaning.

You are joking aren't you. Three general election victories under Blair. Three. Corbyns Labour can't win a council election in Labour strongholds. Do those who support corbyn understand how the political system in this country works.

Well when the Labour Party did move more to the centre which was too right for some they won three consecutive elections

Or did I imagine that

We have never been a socialist country or a country that has far left leanings (or far right facisim that has plagued European politics) our deep rooted cultural class society impacts our politics

Er, and is your view 'independent of political leanings', Gotta? Don't kid yourself. There's no such thing.