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To ask if you think Jeremy Corbin will stand down after GE?

341 replies

LenaDunham · 06/05/2017 01:44

Sorry, I know there are so many threads about the GE/politics.

I am just wondering what will happen after the GE. I am a Labour supporter and will vote Labour but I think it is highly likely Labour will come out very badly.

Will Jererny resign? Will there be a split? Are we really going to have Tory gov't again???

Anyone have any insights to give me hope?

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2tiredtothinkofausername · 07/05/2017 09:58

I'm so frustrated by the current situation and angry that Labour don't seem capable of actually governing the U.K. If I lived in a seat where there was any chance of the Conservatives winning I'd still go and vote Labour though. As it is I live in a very safe seat and am thinking of staying at home. I think a reduction in numbers in a safe seat might send a message.

MissShittyBennet · 07/05/2017 10:38

I think there's something to the idea that we seem to be culturally hard wired to give Labour a much tougher time on the economy than the Tories.

Personally I don't trust Corbyn and McDonnell with the economy, and that's not just due to policies. And Labour certainly have some previous on this too. But look at what the Tories have done recently. We're in a fucking mess. They've had 7 years and the debt is higher, we're no better off, they've indulged themselves with ideological cuts.

I mean, does anyone seriously think May gets it? Yet there's always that idea at the bottom of everything, that the Tories are more sensible than Labour.

user1483208776 · 07/05/2017 10:44

in an interview with Andrew Marr, john McDonnell suggests corbyn will quit if he loses

“That will be inevitable wouldn’t it? Of course it would, every Labour leader who loses an election usually goes,”

quote from the independent, link below

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/john-mcdonnell-first-socialist-labour-chancellor-corbyn-quit-inevitable-a7722271.html

Nicemil1 · 07/05/2017 10:47

birds spot on post. Back to the 80s unfortunately

Headofthehive55 · 07/05/2017 10:49

I agree with birds

Havingahorridtime · 07/05/2017 10:53

I offered to volunteer for the Labour Party during the previous general election campaign and they were not interested in me campaigns in my area as it ain't a seat that labour can realistically win. They asked me if i would travel almost 30 miles away to volunteer in a swing seat. The situation is similar this time.
In any case I won't be offering to volunteer this time as I will not lend any support to Corbyn. The best I can do is vote lib dem or spoil my ballot to reduce the support for labour in my seat. I am waiting on the manifestos being published to see whether I can stomach voing for Lib dem. It baffles me that a party will refuse the offer of volunteer support in the run up to a general election.

EatsShitAndLeaves · 07/05/2017 11:23

Could not agree more with you Birds re:

Yes I think this is why the older part of the Labour party are so aghast at current developments. We know this section of the Labour party from Kinnock time and before. We know how they behave. It might look shiny new and hopeful to those who haven't seen it before. But it's not new and it certainly isn't hopeful. And above all its certainly not "nice" . It's deeply scary and no the right wing press didn't tell me that I have seen it for over 30 years with my own eyes. You are right succulent, it is a cult. I honestly believe that some of them think they are going to win. It's the ones who know they can not win that anger me the most. But you know they get to shout at the evil Tories so all is well with the world.

20nil · 07/05/2017 11:33

Not hard wired, just conditioned by a chorus of abuse about anything that threatens the dominance of unfettered capitalism. But that's how it is for now. Things change. The NHS is now a national treasure but Labour had to fight and fight to get it through. If I didn't exist, the Tories would destroy it as an idea now and Labour would look like left wing loons for suggesting universal health care. As I say, things can change and we need leaders who can oversee that kind of change in social attitudes. JC isn't that leader.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/05/2017 11:54

The problem is politicial parties don't exist to govern for governing's sake, they exist to govern with some purpose

I agree, but surely the point is that they can't translate that "purpose" into reality if they're not capable of being elected - which they're certainly not at the moment. I doubt anyone would deny that, historically, the Labour party has been responsible for a great deal of good, but any future good seems dependent on them making a lot of changes which are undoubtably going to be painful

And Bluntness I honestly wouldn't worry about your lovely daughter too much. At the risk of sounding like an old gimmer (which actually I am Grin) it seems a well worn path for the young to trot out left wing dogma as part of their natural idealism - and sometimes, the more privileged they've been, the more they seem to kick. Obviously some stay that way and become very principled left wing adults, but I've often noticed that, once they get a bit of real life experience, many tend to move a bit more to the centre

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 07/05/2017 11:56

SucculentChineseMeal another great post and totally agree

I have never seen such blind devotion to a party leader not even Thatcher a PM who turned many life long labour voters Tory

makeourfuture · 07/05/2017 11:57

You know, what happened to our fighting spirit? Not violence....just the will to not surrender. Where did it go?

When did it go from "I can" and "We can" to "Oh I hope some magic man comes along"? "Oh we can't win..."

Because we don't have to let the Tories win. We don't have to give them a walk-over....for five more years of entrenching their hateful ideology.

We can do better than this. We have to do better than this.

makeourfuture · 07/05/2017 11:58

Stop making it about Blair and Corbyn, Abbot or whoever....

Make it about sending the Tories packing.

20nil · 07/05/2017 12:07

Tell JC and his lot that.

flippinada · 07/05/2017 12:08

birds I agree with you (fellow old-ish gimmer) and happy to join in any rota Grin.

I'd also suggest adding a disclaimer to any posts, as some posters still seem to be under the impression that anyone critical of Corbyn must be a Tory.

To answer the original post, I believe we're going to see a Tory landslide and I hope he does go - although I fear the LP leadership will have to pried from his cold, dead hands.

Nicemil1 · 07/05/2017 12:11

make

But it is all about Corbyn etc as thry are incapable of providing any sort of opposition. I can't see How or why you ignore that.

To change things you need to win power and clearly they are unelectable.

Nicemil1 · 07/05/2017 12:14

I too am a life long labour voter cast my first in 1982 but I can't vote for Corbyn as he's doesn't represent labour.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 07/05/2017 12:19

To send the Tories packing you need a good leader with a strong team behind him

Corbyn and co have proved time and time again they are not capable of dealing with serious difficult and complex politics

So why would people vote for them Confused

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/05/2017 12:20

To change things you need to win power and clearly they are unelectable

That really is the crux of it, isn't it?

Apparently someone much cleverer than me, and who understands algorithms, has worked out that a 114 seat Conservative majority looks likely come the general election - and while a workable majority seems a worthwhile thing that's perhaps a bit too much for my taste, especially when there's absolutely no effective opposition

Nicemil1 · 07/05/2017 12:29

what happened to our fighting spirit

It's exasperated because our opposition haven't taken on the Tories in any effective way and helped the Brexit vote.

Exasperated as we have bad. Here before and are old enough to remember the might of Thatcher and the wilderness years gor labour.

birdsdestiny · 07/05/2017 13:31

We are fighting make but we are on different sides. I am not sure how to make it clearer. I do not believe that corbyn is in the slightest bit interested in the poor and disabled. So I won't vote for him.
I am sorry but I am too old to join hands and say " I do believe in faries I do".
I think we went from "We can" to "we can't" when we saw the local election results under his leadership. I don't mean Thursday s results I mean the ones that have been happening again and again under his stewardship. You know the pesky facts about who actually voted for your party in towns and villages up and down the country. The votes that decide who your parish councillor will be, those same councillors will have exciting responsibilities such as planning the village Xmas lights. But guess what those councillors matter hundred times more than noisy rallies with hundreds of followers. Its how democracy works in this country. We have watched those councillors lose their seats every since he took the helm, we tried to mention it Grin but we were just the blairite lot kicking up a fuss.
Flip, I don't think it matters if he goes. They are quietly going round positioning momentum members in winnable seats. So after the election if he goes then he will be replaced by more of the same. I hope and pray that they will split but I have been hoping for that all along and they just didn't have the bottle.

Headofthehive55 · 07/05/2017 13:42

I don't think Corbyn represents the labour I know and want.

makeourfuture · 07/05/2017 13:43

Well if you say "I can't", then you won't. That's a given.

And look, if you have to vote Libdem (or want to vote Libdem) do it! Just don't pull that Tory lever! We can't give them a walk-over.

MrsSummerisle · 07/05/2017 14:04

makeourfuture

Stop making it about Blair and Corbyn, Abbot or whoever....

Make it about sending the Tories packing

We're making it about them because a Labour victory would mean John McDonnell in charge of our livelihoods, Diane Abbott in charge of our security, and Jeremy Corbyn in charge of our fucking nuclear weapons!

Do you have any clue that we are electing a Government to run the country's essential functions, not just some far left weekend club for Marxists?

Headofthehive55 · 07/05/2017 14:12

And that misssummer is more a frightening prospect than May.

BusyBeez99 · 07/05/2017 14:12

He won't stand down. He's very self centred