To ask if you think Jeremy Corbin will stand down after GE?

[LenaDunham]

Sorry, I know there are so many threads about the GE/politics.

I am just wondering what will happen after the GE. I am a Labour supporter and will vote Labour but I think it is highly likely Labour will come out very badly.

Will Jererny resign? Will there be a split? Are we really going to have Tory gov't again???

Anyone have any insights to give me hope?

tiggy As much as I would love to see Yvette Cooper as Labour leader(I voted for her when she stood) I tend to think it probably is too risky. If someone replaces Jeremy they will still lose (although probably not by as much) and then all the Corbynistas will be able to place the blame on them.

In the event of a Labour loss, if it happens....Jeremy can take it back to the membership. Hold another leadership election.

People are saying the leader shouldn't matter, but it does. People are saying the press shouldn't matter, but they do.

I usually vote Labour and probably will do again, but JC is not what the country needs at the moment and I hope he goes soon after losing. The Tories have been an utter joke for the past couple of years, they really have. They've had a majority that a half decent opposition should have been able to make near enough unworkable and ffs, they've plunged us into a colossal constitutional crisis because one wing of the party wanted to take a pop at the other. They've got a leader who didn't support Brexit and has no idea how she's going to implement it. They are the most open goal in the history of open goals at the moment. Even a half competent Labour leader should be bullying the shit out of them. Corbyn isn't, and it's not all because of the press.

I'm sure he's a decent human being, I agree with some of his policies and I'll probably still vote for him next month. But he's not the one.

I would think every Tory voter hopes that JC stays on as Labour leader till the GE.

I didn't think there was any question of Corbyn not staying on until the GE?

I wonder if labour will split, with half merging with the liberals and the remaining labour being more socialist.

There's an interesting article here about what his strategy might be

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-stay-on-leader-labour-party-general-election-2017-party-conference-a7691911.html

The problem with corbyn, past his unpopularity, is that he has proven himself unable to command authority. And if there is one thing our prime minister needs over the next couple of years as we negotiate brexit it is that. Theresa May is the only one demonstrating she can. Best of a bad bunch, Say what you will but at least she's got a set on her. CAmeron fucked off snd left us in the shit. At least she stepped up.

It doesn't matter what labour promises, the reality is even if they got in he would be unable to deliver it. he could promise pink unicorns carrying a million pounds for every voter, it doesn't matter, than man can't command authority or unite his own party, there is nothing he could get through parliament. The manifesto is meaningless. He's also distrusted by the public, as well as disliked, people basically know he lied to the public over his feelings on brexit.

As such, right now it's all about a safe pair of hands to get us through brexit as unscathed as possible. As Theresa May sorts that labour need to sort themselves. And then I think labour voters will come back. But no one in their right mind could think having corbyn as pm and an at each other's throats Labour Party in power would be a good idea.

The first comment from below that article is an excellent example of the mindset of JC's supporters.

"In the unlikely event we lose the election"

The level of denial is just staggering.while throwing us a few stale crumbs to pretend they give a toss about the majority of us. Now are we clear?

Oops not sure what happened there - I'd tried to copy the text but it didn't work so took a screen shot.

The last sentence in the post was from the article and not me :-)

I saw the tv news a few weeks ago, a report from somewhere in the north (I missed the beginning so don't know where) They were interviewing a man who said he was in his late 70s, had been a Labour voter his entire life, but now wouldn't vote for them as Corbyn had destroyed the party.
He was practically in tears and I felt very sad for him

Just reading these posts is utterly depressing. The press have really done a number on Corbyn and the public. We will only ever have different shades of right wing in this country unless people open their eyes and stop talking in sound bites that they heard on the BBC. It makes me despair that people are such sheep, it really does

I am so sick of reading this and similar on MN and elsewhere. Who do you think you are that you know better than all these supposed sheep. Do you have some special powers that other people don't possess or it is possible that maybe other people are also capable to reading/viewing media and making an educated decision. Maybe, just maybe, people have a different opinion to you which is no less valid or educated than yours is.

Unfortunately for the Labour Party this is the same position Corbyn, McDonell, Abbot all have and is part of the reason people will not vote for them.

Not a fucking sheep. How dare you suggest that.
Why are people who disagree with you sheep. Arrogant bollocks.

The diverse elected MPs who have no confidence in corbyn and the other leaders are not sheep, and nor are MNetters.

The level of denial is just staggering

I agree. My daughter is a staunch labour supporter and a member of the party . She is also incredibly intelligent and on track for a first in her law degree. When the election was announced she actually texted me she thought either labour would take it or it would be a labour Tory coalition. She's realistic about everything else but I'm not sure what propaganda they send her because I simply can't explain how deluded she is. When I told her it would be a Tory landslide, she was really indignant and thought i was talking absolute nonsense.

I'm sure they are brainwashing them. It's crazy.

OMG Bluntness100 seriously your DD doing a law degree thinks TM could go into coalition with JC. Never mind the delusion that Labour might win, that is just mental. What planet are the hard left on?

When I told her it would be a Tory landslide, she was really indignant and thought i was talking absolute nonsense

Maybe she doesn't understand the FPTP system...!?

She's doing a law degree? Jesus, even my 10 year old knows how stupid that is. I just asked her.

Bluntness When I was at Uni there were plenty of heated arguments between Conservatives and Labour (and indeed between Thatcherites and "wets") but thing was , we had to argue with each other. It's now all too easy for people not to really communicate with those who disagree with them.

bluntness I can't imagine that Momentum have been encouraging a labour / Tory coalition, I can't see any Corbyn fans willing to work with the Tories ( or the other way) A left alliance perhaps. I think your daughter has confused herself rather than being brainwashed

Wow, I didn't think this thread would be so popular.

It's all so depressing. I am a signed up member of the Labour Party and just feel desperately sad about the infighting, and in my opinion poor leadership.

Personally I don't think Jeremy's policies actually represent me or my concerns and I find Diane Abbott nauseating and embarrassing.

Does that mean I should send back my membership card?

I'm fucked for voting as well - my MP is labour but she seems to support Jezza.

The thought of a Tory gov't for the next five years is very depressing.

It often seems a shame that those who offer little other than insults are unable to see the part they've played in getting us where we are now

Do they honestly believe that everyone who holds an alternative view to theirs will somehow be persuaded by this kind of approach?

Really sorry that I've not read the full thread but:

I detest him and John McDonnell. Clinging to their principles and 'mandate' will set Labour back a generation. They can't win and now it's too late for him to stand down. We will face a Tory landslide and they will drive through their awful policies unchallenged. All this 'he's a lovely guy ' is bullshit in my view. He's decimating the official opposition with his arrogance. And I'm not swayed by the media stuff. I'm intelligent and informed and a labour supporter and I STILL won't vote for him.

Does it matter? We have no one to replace him who is better. I do hope Diane Abbot goes- can't bear her brand of North London centric socialism. She does not ever speak for me up here in the north-east. She does not live what she preaches and clearly has a very low level of credibility now. I am furious with her and the damage she has done.

We have no one to replace him who is better

There is actually a lot of talented and clever Labour MPs who would do infinitely better than JC. Unfortunately because of entryism the hard left has usurped any possibility of a good leader being elected.