This is a goady thread

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I have private school for my children. I own my house outright. I have private medical insurance. I have savings in the bank. I own a second property outright which is let out. I go on many many holidays a year (approximately 6-8). The absolute devastation that the tories are reaping on public services will largely pass me by.

I vote labour.

WTF do people without money (and all the things outlined above) vote Tory? THEY ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE. THEY DON'T CARE. I see people without any of the aforementioned luxuries cheering about voting someone in who will have a guaranteed negative impact on their lives.

Off to find a wall to bang my head on.

AIBU to say I don't care that this is a goady thread.

(You can say I am troll but mumsnet will confirm I have been a member for years.)

The particularly strange situation with voting that we have at the moment says at least as much about Labour as it does about people's views of the Tories. An awful lot of people consider there to be two parties to vote for - blue or red. And at the moment Labour are unelectable. They are useless. Diane Abbot?! She has always been somewhat of a parody within the party, and now she is one of the most senior members. The current Labour party will get slaughtered in these elections, and as much as people want to blame the right wing press (who are a disgrace) it is their own fault. A leader who cannot lead, who cannot get any of the press on side and who does not have the majority of his party on side? How he hasn't stepped down is beyond me.

I am left wing, and will never vote Tory. I dispise their ideology generally, and particularly the demonisation of the poor and in need. I voted Labour in 2015 despite some scepticism. However I can't vote Labour in this election. They are pointless. They aren't a proper opposition, and those who are responsible for it within the party should be ashamed of themselves. If there was a decent oppostion we wouldn't even be having this election, but if there was and we were, it would be interesting to see what happened.

I will vote Lib Dem, because the other two options are so depressing. But for people who are floaters, who want what is best overall for them and their family, they see the Tories who look more organised and like they have a plan (even if it is abhorrent) and they see a bunch of jokers. Its not difficult to see why they vote blue.

Evidence of what? Perhaps it's evidence that people want what the Tories have to offer. They like the idea of self-reliance as opposed to a life on benefits being a lifestyle choice.

I know this area well in my working life and believe me, it is not this. Entire generations of families have been on the dole their whole lives with zero empolyment prospects, the level of serious drug abuse and crime is off the scale (heroin as opposed to "Charlie"), life expectancy is years below the national average, highest rates of many cancers, awful socioeconomic deprivation, some of the worst GP to patient ratios in the country, queues outside foodbanks, biggest proportion of children attending school without a breakfast.......I could go on.

People tell me they fear mass immigration and assylum seekers "taking over" . Many are also tactically voting against the SNP as they want to stay part of the union and don't believe Labour to be viable.

But yes, it is typical Tory rhetoric that these people are voting for self-reliance and that being on the dole is a "lifestyle choice" - some lifestyle!

In my area the only viable opposition to the Tory candidate was Lib Dem. Labour got the same (minimal) amount of votes as Greens or UKIP.
Sooo depressing. I'd just ready for Labour to sack everyone and have a renaissance. This ideological austerity and the prospect of Brexit breaks my heart.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/election-shock-ferguslie-park-elects-10360648
Ferguslie Park is a hugely deprived area. Labour has ruled here for years and what good has it done the people there. Hence some have gone against Labour party allegiances which have lasted for generations. Why vote for the same if the same are complacent and sometimes corrupt.

YoureSparticus

One of the major problems is that people in rather privileged financial and social situations pretty much live in another culture to that of the traditional Labour voter. In fact, it might as well be another world.

I have had huge arguments with people from extremely privileged backgrounds about their involvement in Labour activism, mostly because they push their own agendas based on their understanding of the country from their privileged perspective.

So they continue to bang on about no-borders when the reality is that no voter who is insecurely housed and on a housing waiting list is going to accept the merits of mass immigration without any controls.

Baffling, isn't it?

Basically I think it's the Trump Effect - they say things slowly, clearly, over and over (strong and stable vs coalition of chaos) and apparently the turkeys will vote for Christmas...

YANBU. Absolutely dumbfounded myself.

Because it's seen to be 'working class' to vote labour. If you vote Tory, that must mean you have money. It's all about keeping up appearances to some people. Style over substance.

But it's not working class to vote Labour! Everyone on MN today talking about voting Labour is very well off, according to their comments on this and other threads. Keeping up appearances by voting a Tory is about 40 years out of date.

I think people are confused about what local councils actual;y do. Honestly I'm sick of this sort of sneering.

Re Ferguslie Park and Calton, I wouldn't be surprised if that's to do with Rangers supporting protestant Unionists ditching Labour. Otherwise it really is the end of days

Toomuch. I think it is. But will await more enlightened others telling me its a lifestyle choice.

YADNBU. We are reasonably wealthy too compared to rest of population but would never ever vote Tory.

YANBU

Tories must be laughing their socks off at all the turkeys voting for Christmas.

Turkeys voting for Christmas was the referendum. I wonder if any pp here would have dared to be so snide to Leave voters.
I'm not a Tory voter never have been or will be. But if, in a democracy, people have less mistrust for May than for Corbyn and vote accordingly, that is their democratic right.
This mess is on Corbyn and his crew.

As for "it's the hostile media" , what a load of bollocks. The media didn't send Corbyn on holiday during the referendum run up, the media didn't make a fool of DA the other day, she did that herself, the media didn't stick dodgy flags behind McDonald the other day. And the media didn't photoshop JC shaking Gerry Adams' hand just after the Brighton Bomb.
You did that shit yourself Labour Front Bench, and you wonder why people don't trust you. Shame on you.

I wonder if any pp here would have dared to be so snide to Leave voters.

Well according to to Leave voters that is the only thing that 'Remoaners' ever do. In fact it causes them so much grief and distress at the lack of respect it renders them unable (on principled grounds, obviously) to answer any kind of question about what benefits will come from Brexit and how the multiple problems caused by it will be solved.

[I don't deny Labour being an omnishables by the way; and I say that as I life-long Labour supporter....depressing]

that's what I keep telling myself!! At least it's not Ukip

UKIP isn't needed any more. They always have been dispensable to the Tories. They just did all the dirty work for the tories without realising it. Despite all the warnings that they'd be dropped like a hot potato once they're no longer needed. Alas, here we are.

Most of the people I've spoken to say they voted tory because they voted brexit, I think they think (wrongly of course) that labour won't go through with brexit.

^I vote Tory. Less immigration definitely.
Lower taxes.^

copper does that include the major u-turn the Tories had to do when they were going to impose an unfair tax on all the self employed people? If it wasn't for the storm the media kicked up over it they'd have still have gone ahead. Then there's the fact that despite they've been asked several times, the PM still has not ruled out raising taxes?

I know this area well in my working life and believe me, it is not this. Entire generations of families have been on the dole their whole lives with zero empolyment prospects, the level of serious drug abuse and crime is off the scale (heroin as opposed to "Charlie"), life expectancy is years below the national average, highest rates of many cancers, awful socioeconomic deprivation, some of the worst GP to patient ratios in the country, queues outside foodbanks, biggest proportion of children attending school without a breakfast.......I could go on.

Unsure as to why you've linked drug abuse to that. I used to work in a Nightclub which only admitted affluent customers. Bankers, Lawyers, etc etc. Every night at least two or three of them would have their drugs confiscated. Or is that okay because they're self reliant?

Puzzled well of course the odd sanction is down to Tom down the road who couldn't be arsed to attend his signing on on time. But many aren't. When I was on Jobseekers I once almost got a sanction because she thought ibwas three hours late for my sign on appointment. I had to wait until she'd stopped shouting at me to point out my main advisor knew and if she looked at the bright yellow post it note my advisor had put at the front of my files. She'll see that he changed my sign on appointment to that time because I was doing a two week work placement. I had to sign on in my lunch break. They didn't sign me off for those two weeks because they weren't allowed to, wait for it, because I had found the placement myself.

You only have to google Callums list to see how ridiculous these sanctions are, like the bloke who had the audacity to have a heart attack at his medical.

Then there's cases like me, I've been signed off work long term due to illness, I get ESA but I don't get PIP, because the Judge decided that someone who'd been to university implies that they wete clever and so a lifelong neurological condition I've had that has recently exacerbated over recent years, can't affect me that much. Can you imagine how insulting that is? They're basically saying I'm not thick enough to be neurologically affected. That's a Judge saying that.

I think it says something that Jeremy Corbyn went to Manchester last night to celebrate the election of a labour mayor (Andy Burnham) and the said mayor was 'otherwise engaged'.

I live in area where people benefit most from the state: low wages topped up, state schools, nhs and lots of pensioners on only state pension. Swimming pools and libraries here are under threat. Children's services have been slashed.

There's a real threat we will elect a Tory mp this time and i do not get it. People are terrified that Labour means that other people are getting what they should have-even though the state already provides. I suspect another reason is that we have quite a large Eastern European community and people think they will magically disappear.

I think the other reason people vote Tory is because they think 'it'll never happen to me', whereas I amfully aware that life is ultimately down to luck. I also grew up with a parent who, because of his disability, was pretty much chucked on the scrap heap at 15 and had to do jobs well below what he could have been capable of. He worked hard, but for crap. wages.I know only too well what it is to grow up under a Tory government when you have no money.