This is a goady thread

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I have private school for my children. I own my house outright. I have private medical insurance. I have savings in the bank. I own a second property outright which is let out. I go on many many holidays a year (approximately 6-8). The absolute devastation that the tories are reaping on public services will largely pass me by.

I vote labour.

WTF do people without money (and all the things outlined above) vote Tory? THEY ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE. THEY DON'T CARE. I see people without any of the aforementioned luxuries cheering about voting someone in who will have a guaranteed negative impact on their lives.

Off to find a wall to bang my head on.

AIBU to say I don't care that this is a goady thread.

(You can say I am troll but mumsnet will confirm I have been a member for years.)

Oops silly phone.

That was meant to be in quotation marks.

I've just seen that on another thread and it's given me some insight into why there are so many switchers to Tory (Though I don't personally agree)

The problem is that not enough people vote. Compare the number of middle class baby boomers who vote, vs the low waged under 25's...that's why the tories win.

YANBU for not voting Tory but YABVU for voting Labour. They're a mess, not a credible alternative in my humble opinion. I have none of the thing you do, work with very deprived neighbourhoods and the damage BOTH governments would inflict on families barely keeping their heads above water; in imminent danger of drowning is terrifying. That's before you get to the bloody ridiculous notion we should leave Europe.

Slow clap. Congratulations on your great wealth. SFW.

I think a lot of it is to do with the death of traditional industries and working class communities.

I'm originally from a very working class mining area. My grandad was a miner and a staunch socialist as were all his friends and colleagues. There was a huge political scene; working men's clubs affiliated to Labour, miners clubs etc. Normal, working people were very interested in politics and knew exactly what labour/conservatives stood for.

Then the mines closed, people lost jobs, massive unemployment followed by an attempt at regeneration with lots of (ironically) EU funding to subsidise service industries moving in. So lots of low paid but white collar jobs (call centres etc) - people seemed to not want to be working class any more where it was once a real source of pride and community.

do vote everyone even if you are a Labour supporter. Let us have a massive turnout this time

Very well said ... the dismal turnout for most UK elections has always saddened me (actually it disgusts me, but I'm trying to be diplomatic )

There are millions of people in hellholes all over the world who'd give a heck of a lot to have our - admittedly imperfect - democracy; is it really too much to ask that people respect and contribute to it?

purple, yes I wish more would vote. I have taken all 5 chldren with me deliberately to the polling stations since they were 4 or 5 so they can see the voting process, see how important it is for me, made sure they were down as 16./17 year olds on tghe forms ready to vote when they turn 18, made sure if they were away at university they were reminded to make sure they knew where they were going to vote, kept on the register. All 5 will vote (including the 18 year old twins who were very cross to miss the Brexit vote by a few months) in June. I don't know how they will all vote - i can guess some of them but I am very glad they will all be voting.

I too always take my dd (10) to vote. My Mum did it for me. She asks questions and I answer them. I buy her The Week Junior so she can find out about the world around her without my prism iyswim.
I suppose my Mum hoped we would do things better than her generation (post war). I have to hope the same for my dd.
Corbyn indulged antisemitism. Absolutely no way can I vote for that fucker.

WTF do people without money (and all the things outlined above) vote Tory?

Because they don't see Corbyn as a credible alternative. (and nor do his party)

And the Lib Dems may have good intentions but they have nothing to back them up.

And yes, I think everyone who is entitled to, should vote. No excuses.

I've always voted Labour and tbh the NHS was the main reasoning behind that.

This time I will probably be voting conservative.

Bit of background working class family, 3 children (one with SN but in mainstream school), I'm a nurse in the private sector. I voted remain in the EU.

Reasoning behind even considering voting for a party whose policies largely go against my beliefs is mainly related to Brexit; as much as I wish that the vote had gone the other way, the reality is it didn't and that decision should be upheld. That rules out a vote for Lib Dems for me.

Labour would have still have got my vote (and I imagine will for every other vote in my lifetime) if it wasn't for the massive party divisions and inter squabbling -i think this will make brexit negotiations harder and more protracted, with more economic instability due to uncertainty.

I also think it's really important to settle terms for Brexit smoothly and quickly now, so a strong majority for the elected party will be important. I will therefore reluctantly vote Tory unless Labour gets its house in order. I realise this will have negative implications for things i really believe are important, but hope at the next election and when Brexit has been negotiated Labour will have its house in order and reconnect with the electorate enough to regain control.

Ready to be flamed, and also ready to change my mind, as it sticks in my throat, but those are my thoughts at the moment

OP I completely understand where you're coming from. I'm in a similar position to you and I am devastated by what the Conservatives are doing to the country, and the hatred they are encouraging so I will not vote for them. But I can't bring myself to vote for Corbyn's Labour either. Anything else in my area is a wasted vote, but I think that's what I'm going to have to do. A more effective leader would get Labour a vote from me, but as things stand it's not going to happen. Sorry OP but you did ask why.

Lexi, you make sense to me. Brexit negotiations are the only thing that matters in this election. Not sure I can bring myself to vote Tory but Labour would fuck it up. Their front bench team thinks promising the stars with no financial plan will win them votes. And Corbyn indulges antisemitism.

Radishal I agree, and also feel a bit used as I think May knows this will be the stance of many and therefore it is the ideal time to call an election for the conservatives.

@JanetBrown2015 People vote conservative because they have a lot of sense and know it will be best for the UK.

In your opinion, which you seem very fond of presenting as a dictat which you expect MNer's to follow. We don't live in the DPRK.

We don't live in the DPRK

If Corbyn gets in, we will

Thing is, this election is not about delivering Brexit. It's about ensuring that all checks on May are removed. It's not healthy for any democracy to be without an opposition, and this election is designed to remove all effective opposition from Westminster, and from within the Tory party. We will then be left with the Daily Mail ("enemies of the people", "crush the dissenters") to call the government to account. Think about that.

Everyone should vote.

In my area there is a massive Tory majority so, dh for instance, might think voting anything else is a wasted vote, but it won't be. Choose a party - any party - and vote for them, or at least spoil your paper. Spoiling your paper is possibly one of the most powerful messages you can send.

Personally, I shall vote Labour, knowing there is no hope of them getting in, but I would rather have them than the Tories. It's not all about Brexit - far from it. It's about what sort of society we want, one that looks after its most vulnerable members as if they were loved and valued, or one which shunts them into the corner as if they were naughty children wh must be puished.