This is a goady thread

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I have private school for my children. I own my house outright. I have private medical insurance. I have savings in the bank. I own a second property outright which is let out. I go on many many holidays a year (approximately 6-8). The absolute devastation that the tories are reaping on public services will largely pass me by.

I vote labour.

WTF do people without money (and all the things outlined above) vote Tory? THEY ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE. THEY DON'T CARE. I see people without any of the aforementioned luxuries cheering about voting someone in who will have a guaranteed negative impact on their lives.

Off to find a wall to bang my head on.

AIBU to say I don't care that this is a goady thread.

(You can say I am troll but mumsnet will confirm I have been a member for years.)

Excellent post by QuietCorday.

Exactly Figaro2017 but anyone who dares to disagree with JC is immediately shut down and akin to Satan's sister.

I saw a tweet last night where someone described those who didndt support him as leader as 'the far right movement of labour'. With batshittery like that it's no wonder people are taking the 'better the devil we know' line and planning to vote tory instead. It's a real shame because there's some really good labour MPs.

It's a typical case of I'm alright Jack. They simply don't think that life is not like that for others as it never occurs to them.

Okay, I'll say the controversial thing here.

I have private school for my children. I own my house outright. I have private medical insurance. I have savings in the bank. I own a second property outright which is let out. I go on many many holidays a year (approximately 6-8). The absolute devastation that the tories are reaping on public services will largely pass me by.
I vote labour.

The Labour party was not established to serve the political, social and economic interests of people in your position. It was set up to serve people who were in precisely the opposite situation: no chance of private schooling for their children, no chance to own their own property, no savings and no chance of gaining any ... in fact, the Labour movement was set up to protect the working class from the political and economic stance of people in your position, particularly rentier capitalists.

The problem is that Labour knows people in your position now vote for the party. This influences their policies as they attempt to retain your vote, and, in turn, they adopt policies do not necessarily benefit their traditional voters...

...which is why Labour is losing vast swathes of its core support.

brilliant. what do you say to that OP?

It's about fear causing people to pull up the drawbridge- when times are tough we want, understandably - to look after those closest to home. The right wing media perpetuates the myths that those turkeys voting for Christmas believe.
The debt has risen massively under Tories so clearly austerity isn't working very well. It doesn't take half a brain to see that if people are struggling with basic living costs then less money gets circulated and economic growth falters.
Add in the 'blame immigration' rather than Tory cuts coupled with an excessive fear of terrorism blamed on all muslims and bizarrely all immigrants and we have a dim cohort that believe the indoctrination.
Then there is the Hyacinth effect. Smart Mrs M seems like a good person. Church on Sundays and long walks. She did alright out of a grammar school (not true but...) she wants to bring back grammars so our children can have same benefit. Few read the research that shows grammars inhibit social mobility.
Then there is Brexit. All the muppets who voted for it want a difficult women to fight Europe and bring back the Empire. Lots of street parties and bunting. Excellent.

Councils can make positive changes though, through allocating their budgets where it is most needed to do good for the community it serves.

Actually, they can't. The bulk of their funding comes from central government, distributed through a formula of Byzantine complexity. They cannot increase the council tax by more than a paltry amount without having a costly referendum (as true-blue Surrey County Council proposed, before the government realised what an embarrassment this would be and cut a deal with them).

LG budgets are now so stretched that most councils can only afford to do the minimum that the law requires of them, leaving them with very little discretion when it comes to non-statutory spending. This is why things like libraries have been cut massively and the roads are full of potholes.

"That quote from Neil Kinnock is particularly poignant. He said that after Labour lost the 1992 election which they had been predicted to win, giving the Tories their fourth term."

I may be wrong but I think he said it the night before the 1987 election, by which time it was apparent that the Cons were going to win. (This is the "I warn you not to be ill" comments)

Not sure how/whether that difference affects any of the analysis on the thread!

" The right wing media perpetuates the myths that those turkeys voting for Christmas believe."
That is an interesting point because it can only do that effectively if people choose to read it. With on line newspapers, people can read the non-right wing media free as well. And social media as well - much of which is non-right wing. So it is the old question - does the media shape belief or reflect it? A bit of both surely?

Mmmnnn think Daily Wail and Sun are still hugely influential, sadly.

But people choose to buy them? I am just not sure why they are more influential than the non-right wing press?

Haven't read the whole thread but totally agree with you OP. We have a business worth £5m a large five bedroom house (with mortgage) we have DC in private school, private health and go on numerous holidays. Cuts won't impact us. I vote LABOUR.
The only reason I can assume that poor people vote Conservative is a lack of education!

Excellent post, idoidoidoido

Space to make my post bigger. You've really said it all.

In fact, it's so good, I might have to screenshot it to save hours, no days, of my life in future.

Can you imagine how insulting that is? They're basically saying I'm not thick enough to be neurologically affected. That's a Judge saying that

Yes, I can imagine it very well and I think what happened to you is utterly shameful

I admit, though, that I don't believe it would necessarily be any better under Labour, probably because roughly similar things happened to the person I was representing in Gordon Brown's time. Nor were Labour councillors or MPs interested in helping - all they wanted to do was whine about the "savage cuts" under their own government

IME it's sometimes worth considering whether this kind of whining is actually based on facts, or if it's simply a cover for incompetence

The people I know who voted Tory seemed to be kind of of the mindset 'it won't affect me, I am a genuine claimant/hard worker...only the 'scroungers' will be hit'. Every one of them now regrets their stupid decision. Bit late though. IMO we are stuck with the Tories for at least 3 elections.

I want the Nordic model. I want it also for schools. Not learning to read till 7. Working on basic social interaction and motor skills till then.

I want a new political party called the Nordic model, or one called the NHS party.

I'm flummoxed by this election. Dh and others I know seem to be saying for the first time that Tory is the only option due to brexit. I think they're thinking macro economics as mentioned upthread. Previously always labour or lib dem. Which are nearest the Nordic model?

I'm with you OP. I just can't get my head around it. I feel like it's a lost cause

I think Labour MPs have shown that they are disloyal and self-interested.

We know that, to a great extent, most MPs are both those things, but Labour front benchers have shown us, no shadow of a doubt.

YANBU

We're comfortable. And I'll be voting labour. As a teacher I'd struggle to look at the kids if I voted Tory. (As a 14 year old said this week. Miss ho come private schools can do igcses and we can't?! Did you know they can have the books with them? And they have coursework? Surely that's just easier)

I have an elderly friend of the family who comments on my facebook when I share anything politics based to point out why I'm wrong. But then can't seem to see why the Tory cuts are the reason why the local hospital is earmarked for closure, or why the doctors is closed for 3 afternoons a week etc.

Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind, or as a friend on facebook said "slugs for salt!"

I agree. I am paid over £100k. My children are in private school. I have private health insurance.

I also vote Labour.

Agree it's often aspirational. They're trying to distinguish themselves from the poorer set in their area (for their own dignity, not snobbishness)

From experience - if you are from a town that's failing, and so not much of a mix/people coming and going, and you vaguely have any type of job - or you're on benefits but hoping to get off them - you try and distinguish yourself from that scummy family on your street

These people in that context consider themselves a Tory family. They have no idea riches like yours exist, and that in some areas a lot of people live like that

All poor people who vote Conservative are stupid and don't understand what they're voting for (not me of course, I'm a rich Tory voter).
Please keep telling them that until they change their minds and vote Labour. Maybe it'll work this time .

YANBU I saw the other day that the town where I grew up votes tories in YET AGAIN despite being an area with high unemployment/high levels of free school meals

People vote conservative because they have a lot of sense and know it will be best for the UK.

I will be proven right in June but do vote everyone even if you are a Labour supporter. Let us have a massive turnout this time.