This is a goady thread

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I have private school for my children. I own my house outright. I have private medical insurance. I have savings in the bank. I own a second property outright which is let out. I go on many many holidays a year (approximately 6-8). The absolute devastation that the tories are reaping on public services will largely pass me by.

I vote labour.

WTF do people without money (and all the things outlined above) vote Tory? THEY ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE. THEY DON'T CARE. I see people without any of the aforementioned luxuries cheering about voting someone in who will have a guaranteed negative impact on their lives.

Off to find a wall to bang my head on.

AIBU to say I don't care that this is a goady thread.

(You can say I am troll but mumsnet will confirm I have been a member for years.)

I don't think OP responded to my reason so I'll just mention it again - it's the hypocrisy that people dislike the most.

Espouse a viewpoint, but don't follow it yourself - so it's really only for the little people, after all.

Just awful, patronising hypocrisy, and quasi-religious fervour. So offputting.

BTW previous posters seem to not know what third world means. It's nothing to do with being low income or where the country is located. Rather, that they did not get involved in NATO or the communist block during the Cold War era.

OP, with your one post there I have now realised not all people who are well off (as you are) are Tory twats .

Thank You for not giving them a vote , for the reasons you mention plus more.

And ex DH (still a friend) votes Tory .. He is of working class stock and not rich by any means but still votes for them .. Its truly beyond me why .

And yet the current use associates it with poverty. And that's what the pp meant.

www.investopedia.com/terms/t/third-world.asp

I am really staggered at how little many Labour posters on here seem to understand the working class.

Because they largely aren't well educated enough to realise they're shafting themselves and they believe the bollocks that is fed to them daily in the right wing press.
I am also part of the socio economic group that would be better off financially under the Tories. But I don't want to live in the kind of country where the poor and disabled are demonised as lazy to justify leaving them destitute.

Aspirational voting. To temporarily feel better.

The same reason why people buy expensive clothes and can't afford a car. Or an expensive car on pcp while their council house is falling apart.

Never been in a hospital in this country that could be described as third world. This includes hospitals in Dundee, Edinburgh, Milton Keynes, Stevenage, multiple London hospitals, Norwich... The NHS isn't perfect but the treatment that myself and every member of my family has had over the years has been ultimately fantastic: for kidney disease, childhood stroke, multiple different cancers, cleft palate, numerous births, cateracts, gall stones, arthritis, thyroid problems etc etc I've lived abroad where you had private health insurance to "cover" illnesses. It really didn't. It was expensive and didn't pay out for things on a regular basis. And the Trump model where being sexually assaulted is considered a prior illness is disgusting. How any sane person could think that's ok is utterly beyond me.

This government does not spend enough on our health service. The fraction of GDP spent is lower than so many other countries and the NHS STILL manages a better service. This is a really good watch and everyone SHOULD watch it. Too late to mourn what we had when it is gone. Private healthcare is about making money for people who don't give a fuck about how well people are, only how much profit is being made.

juniordoctorblog.com/2017/04/26/the-nhs-a-visual-essay-from-juniordoctorblog-com/

Neil Kinnock's quote "I warn you not to be ordinary, I warn you not to be young, I warn you not to fall ill, and I warn you not to grow old" actually gives me chills. I'm a firm believer in the Nordic model and genuinely don't understand why those who have so much want those who have less to stay that way or become poorer. Poverty shaming, immigrant blaming, cronysim, tax avoidance - it is all abhorrent. And May getting a good Brexit deal is laughable. That ship has sailed and is way over the horizon.

So OP I get you. If you believe in the NHS, decent state education, decent transport system, being decent to other people, then I cannot understand why you would vote Tory. Of course people can vote for who they want, but it won't stop me from thinking that those who vote Tory are only thinking of themselves.

It would be good for those working class Tory voters to come onto this thread and see how patronised and despised they are. Really make them change their minds.

I am really staggered at how little many Labour posters on here seem to understand the working class.

Do you understand the working class? Are you working class?

YADNBU OP. I think the right wing press has a lot of influence. many readers don't challenge or employ critical thinking and go with the sound bites.

One of the reasons I will vote Tory in June is because I can't accept that Labour's "save the NHS at all costs because it's socialist (and let's cover it up when people die)" position is correct.

But what do you think the Tories will do?

YANBU. I understand why people are disillusioned with politicians, but to actively support a party whose policies are making already unhappy and unfortunate people worse off is both short-sighted and callous.

Equally I think you may be delusional if you think labour give a flying fig about you either.

The reason a large proportion of traditional Labour voters are voting Tory is because the Tories are standing on the promise of a "hard Brexit" and to these people "hard Brexit" = "FORRINS OUT - SECURE OUR BORDERS AND OUR JOBS!" There is sadly little you can do about this mentality.

We're easily in the top 1% of earners but will not be voting Tory, despite the fact they may bring some tax relief eventually, because we are totally opposed to Brexit and all that in stands for. Labour are a total shambles and I can't see they have any econimic plan. We will be voting Lib Dem even though this will mean more taxation for us, purely as an anti-Brexit vote.

they are more likely to instigate the kind of debate we so desperately need about how we pay for healthcare for an ageing population

Really? You think they will instigate debate?
Or introduce private health insurance by stealth and by defunding the NHS?
Does May strike you as someone who encourages debate?

I am working class so I understand wc as much as anybody.

I grew up in a poor Scottish town, sp, but all degree educated. My dh is umc, although he earns less than the income bracket he grew up in its reasonable decent & secure income. We live in a mc area. Both degree educated.

I don't get the accusations of hypocrisy. People can believe that a two tier system is damaging and vote for more money to be put into national health & education but know that the local schools/health care currently can't meet your families needs so choose private.

It's a bit like looking at countries that have much better bf rates than the uk, knowing that's bc bf skills have never been lost and are passed down from generation to generation through women-family, friends, neighbours- knowing this is the best set up but recognising that's not how it is here and choosing to pay a lactation consultant or post natal doula to help give you the best chance to bf your new born.

Believing there should be more money spent on the publics needs doesn't mean using those public services when you know theres no where near enough money being spent currently.

I'm sure someone has a less convouted explaination -currently v sleep deprived

To the user that accused me of hypocracy. The irony is right there.

You would be applaud me for being selfish. Do you not see how messed up that is? I want a more equal society, and this somehow makes me a baddy?

Tories don't instigate debate, they create fear that creates divide and conquor while they sell everything off.

Bloody IMF even told dc to increase spending to get uK out of recession, they are far from a left wing institution yet he ignored it & we increased the deBT 3 fold

toomuch, yes, I am, or was, but now professional and mc, almost indistinguishable from the real thing apart from the absence of childhood privilege and lack of love for the Labour Party.

Labour thinks everyone working class wants to stay working class. Labour thinks if you level a playing field, it stays level. So clueless.
Oh, and hypocritical.