This is a goady thread

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I have private school for my children. I own my house outright. I have private medical insurance. I have savings in the bank. I own a second property outright which is let out. I go on many many holidays a year (approximately 6-8). The absolute devastation that the tories are reaping on public services will largely pass me by.

I vote labour.

WTF do people without money (and all the things outlined above) vote Tory? THEY ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE. THEY DON'T CARE. I see people without any of the aforementioned luxuries cheering about voting someone in who will have a guaranteed negative impact on their lives.

Off to find a wall to bang my head on.

AIBU to say I don't care that this is a goady thread.

(You can say I am troll but mumsnet will confirm I have been a member for years.)

Dumfounded the people keep picking the wrong team. I just don't get it.

Those pesky voters using their democratic right to vote as they wish.

MrsSummerisle why do you think the left hates Britain?

I agree NHS is not necessarily the only way, there are other countries that have decent hc systems. But the choice here isn't NHS or some other amazing system it's between the NHS (with higher priority & more funding & immigrants welcome to do the jobs we don't have enough ppl trained to do here & more money into education/tuition fees scrapped to encourage more hcp to train) or selling off to American investors who will run it for profit the way they do in the states, poor (and that is most of us-on 40k plus hefty disability benefits we cdn't afford private insurance bc our living costs are so high-despite cheap morgage-might be cheaper when camhs get their finger out) massively disadvantaged.

I hate an awful lot about the NHS, have had terrible treatment there but full on privatisation isn't the answer.

This isn't a choice between NHS & how we think it should be. This is a very clear choice between some form of universal healthcare remaining & trumps version in the UK. Which is even worse for the UK than it is for the states as living costs are much higher here (housing, food etc) so relatively speaking it disadvantages us even more

Mumona.....I pay a lot less tax now than when the Tories first came to power.
And after Brexit, I think the Tories will reduce immigration by ending FOM.

there are other countries that have decent hc systems

And which of those are private?

I'm on income support and vote conservative. I prefer to keep taxes and benefits low.

Why?

I do know why people vote Tory:
Because they think it's the party that will benefit them the most, and to hell with the rest of the people. Which even it that were all very well (it's not) ignores the fact that those "other people" can be ... your best friend ... the lorry driver who delivers your food ... the health worker who looks after the the sick kid so that your DC's teacher turns up for work and does a good job ... or the person who mends the road so that the surgeon can get to work to operate on your granny's dodgy hip ... or works in the 999 call centre so that when some ill-intentioned person is trying to break into your house some one else can come and help ... or the funny-looking foreign kid down the road who goes to university and works on genotyped medicines so that when you feel a bit funny some other doctor ... ( do you really care when she's from when you are coughing up blood? ) ... can help you?

TL;DR -- We are not alone in this world. It helps us to help others.

For those labelling Tony Blair's Light-Blue-Tory-Lite as a Labour Government ... no, just no. Those were not socialist administrations -- just look what they did.

I voted tactically to try to keep the Tories out and I will vote tactically again on the 9th June in the same vain hope.

And as for immigration ... (www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics)
give 273,000 in the year to September 2016, against a population of 65,000,000 (www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/overviewoftheukpopulation/mar2017) ... just count the number of zeros.

small price to pay for not having the Evil, Nasty US Private Health System TM

Are you familiar with the US Health System? Way overpriced and unable to cover people who really need it.
Yes, it IS nasty.

our third world hospitals

You really don't know what you're talking about.

But are you familiar with what happens in third world country hospitals?

What country would that be, btw? And which hospital did he work in?

MENA are not really third world.

List of low income countries:
Guinea
Rwanda
Benin
Guinea-Bissau
Senegal
Burkina Faso
Haiti
Sierra Leone
Burundi
Korea, Dem. People's Rep.
Somalia
Central African Republic
Liberia
South Sudan
Chad
Madagascar
Tanzania
Comoros
Malawi
Togo
Congo, Dem. Rep
Mali
Uganda
Eritrea
Mozambique
Zimbabwe
Ethiopia
Nepal
Gambia, The
Niger

List of MENA countries:
Algeria
Jordan
Qatar
Bahrain
Kuwait
Saudi Arabia
Djibouti
Lebanon
Syrian Arab Republic
Egypt, Arab Rep.
Libya
Tunisia
Iran, Islamic Rep.
Malta
United Arab Emirates
Iraq
Morocco
West Bank and Gaza
Israel
Oman
Yemen, Rep.

datahelpdesk.worldbank.org/knowledgebase/articles/906519-world-bank-country-and-lending-groups

There are very few countries in MENA that are actually third world countries, and there are very few countries that have a truly public health service like the NHS.

Two words OP: "Turkeys, Christmas"

I totally agree. We are pretty skint at the moment (largely because I chose to leave a well paid but bloody awful job, have another baby and work very part time), but we get by and are lucky compared to many, many people.

It is beyond baffling!

@lweji those lists are actually a bit incorrect due to oil income - South Sudan and Yemen are both MENA countries and exceptionally poor for the majority.

I accidentally deleted Afghanistan from the list of Low income countries.

You may be right about Yemen, but South Sudan is not on the MENA list and it is on the low income list.

Still, third world country hospitals often find themselves without things as gloves and drugs. Patients have to take their own food and need to have someone taking care of them.

Don't compare them to UK hospitals.

it's preferable to have an honest debate about which healthcare system we want rather than sleepwalk towards the US system by stealth

I agree.

But, as bad as the NHS is, it cannot be at third world level by any means. any honest debate cannot make such comparisons. :)