To ask who is happy with the way Brexit is going?

[Bearbehind]

I've started a few threads with similar titles over the months but this weekend seems to have been an outpouring of bad news so I wondered who is actually happy with how things are going

From where I'm standing

-It's looking like the government are actually as deluded as many of us feared if you believe the leaked account of this weeks meeting with the EU.
-Theresa May's election campaign is made up of staged events with staged audiences and preselected questions

• there is no opposition to speak of

Who is happy with these continued sound bites in lieu of actual answers and policies?

I don't think there was a plan either way to be honest.

dont I am truly astounded that you are so naive.

The referendum wasn't about what's best for the country; David Cameron did it to appease the right wing of his party and lived to regret it.

He never thought Leave would win, neither did anyone else really, which is why there is/ was no plan.

I'm genuinely gobsmacked.

Bearbehind - I'm neutral on the debate but didn't DC order the civil service not to produce plans for how to deal with Brexit? On that basis, it was entirely predictable that if it did happen there would be no plans, but you can't blame the brexiteers for that.

My biggest concern is with the people who don't fully understand supply chains. We do have a manufacturing industry (although smaller than it used to be), but nothing we make in the UK is independent from outside supplies. If we go over to WTO rules, our aviation and mechanical industry will be reduced. Our food supplies are going to increase in price (will be interesting to see if TM rolls over on reducing our food safety levels to be compatible with the states to avoid a huge increase which will then limit our ability to trade within the EU). I'm hoping that the government are negotiating with manufacturing in mind, but given how short staffed the Brexit department is, it's not going to take much for missed opportunities to happen.

I believe that the country wasn't getting any better in the EU so why not try being out?

Oh my god, that's taken the

David Cameron sure was stupid allowing people to vote on this issue...

Bearbehind - I think it is also Tony Blair's fault. When the Lisbon treaty was signed, it was clear that it involved powers going to Brussels, which should have required a referendum, but the government baulked at this, and used some pretty fanciful reasoning to avoid it. If there had been a referendum then, it would almost certainly have passed and the question would have been settled for a generation. As it was, it created a lot of resentment as it looked as if things were being steamrollered through by the "political elite"

You can call me naive all you like, in my first post I mention I don't understand it all etc and I said similar in my fiurther posts. I'm not clued up on it all I know I'm not, I said I'm not but I had bigger things on my mind so I guess didn't give it too much thought. I didn't vote anyway so don't really feel responsible as my vote genuinely wouldn't have made a difference as I would have voted leave if I could have.

yoko I didn't vote.

I didn't vote the way I did because of economic reasons or regulations reasons or sovereignty reasons. I voted out of love and shame. I love being part of Europe and I feel shame associated with imperialism and the massive MASSIVE overweening sense of self-importance the British maintain in the face of all possible evidence.

We are an eighth of the EU population, which is in itself only 2/5th the size of China. Maybe Brexit is the moment we collectively wake up and realise that no-one gives a shit what Britain does, because it isn't important. Maybe Brexit will spell the final death throw of Empire.

In which case exactly one good thing will have come of it.

What I don't understand about these threads is why the remainers want Brexit to fuck up the country quite so vehemently. It seems such a 'cut off your nose to spite your face mentality'.

Everyone keeps going on and on about how we don't have an exit plan well why isn't anyone questioning why the EU doesn't have an exit plan written down beyong a country triggering Article 50. Are they so arrogant they thought noone would ever leave and then what does that say about this being a so called membership. What type of membership doesn't even have the basic exit information included.

YABU - to start yet another thread on the same same subject well you did ask if you were BU

What I don't understand about these threads is why the remainers want Brexit to fuck up the country quite so vehemently. It seems such a 'cut off your nose to spite your face mentality'.

Where have any Remainers said that sleep?

It's quite the opposite- we think it's looking like it's going to fuck up the country and want reassurance that it's not.

SleepFree I (as a retainer) absolutely don't want that to be the case at all. I keep asking for reassurance via responses on how critical issues will be dealt with (or the thread I started when I asked for what I had to look forwards to). I would genuinely like nothing better than for it to all be great, best possible future for the vest majority in the country. I don't give a shit about being wrong and being a loser if it's for the best. But I'm really struggling to see how it's going to work out.

I try to wait patiently and ask politely but still nothing in the way of answers or reasons.

*remainer not retainer [can we switch the autocorrect off?!!]

Everyone keeps going on and on about how we don't have an exit plan Well its only remainers to be fair. Most people I know dont make their plans until after they have decided to do things but that aside. Now the country has decided to leave the EU we have 2 years to make our plans.. And we are doing that, I see it everyday in the news, it does seem the government is progressing along with their plans.

Its a lot more than a wing and a prayer.

Its a lot more than a wing and a prayer. Great! So what is it then?

what I'm now finding interesting is that remainers are now contesting that brexiters won't engage with them and denying their feelings on engaging with bigots.

It is exactly the same situation that got us here in the first place. It seems that some people never learn.

*what I'm now finding interesting is that remainers are now contesting that brexiters won't engage with them and denying their feelings on engaging with bigots.

It is exactly the same situation that got us here in the first place. It seems that some people never learn.*

And this is a justifiable reason for evading questions, creating sideshows, having no clear plans how exactly?

I genuinely don't understand your point. I have been patient and polite again and again but answers? I have none.

We all know that no one outside of government really knows what the plan is (or if there is one) so it's a bit of a non argument. It's a question that's being asked so as some remainers can feel superior at the 'stupid people' for not knowing what they voted for.

Just be patient please.

renaissance the questions aren't about a 'plan' as such, although it is inextricably linked, what I and many others want to know is what good is going to come of this?

The thing I'd like to know is what people who are in favour of remaining in the EU actually think it will be like in 10 years time. I know at that point we'll be eating grass and boiling our shoes for food in the UK but what will the EU be like.

It seems to be that many militant remainer's are mourning us leaving what they hoped the EU would be rather than what it actually is and will be. I don't see any of the EU's many problems going away.

herethereandeverywhere

I'm not surprised that you don't understand my point.

You are once again saying that people must talk to you.
That people, after being abused and shot down, must answer to you.
That they must offer up their opinions, thoughts and feelings so that you can shoot them down (going by past threads)
People have had enough of being called racist, thick and a myriad of other names, yet you and others think that you have the right to not only tell people what to do but whether that they are wrong.

This may not mean much to you as you have been "patient and polite again and again" but brexiters don't owe you anything, nor do they have to offer themselves up for abuse.

But this lack of empathy and the constant telling of others that they are wrong is what got us here.

Ok so the plan, if there is one, is only known by the Government.

Do we have any useful ideas for some of the ways they might negotiate (the 'what do we have to offer' question) or suggestions of what might be acceptable on NI or Calais? How can we be confident of getting a good deal if we have very little to offer (except money which we have already refused to pay, by all accounts)?