To ask who is happy with the way Brexit is going?

[Bearbehind]

I've started a few threads with similar titles over the months but this weekend seems to have been an outpouring of bad news so I wondered who is actually happy with how things are going

From where I'm standing

-It's looking like the government are actually as deluded as many of us feared if you believe the leaked account of this weeks meeting with the EU.
-Theresa May's election campaign is made up of staged events with staged audiences and preselected questions

• there is no opposition to speak of

Who is happy with these continued sound bites in lieu of actual answers and policies?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/25/why-leaving-the-eu-could-actually-be-to-our-economic-advantage/

Here hopefully that will help answer your question some more. Still everything is unknown but with figures used from the Treasury it has some credibility.

Given the way politics and the prosperity of countries changes so rapidly I don't think that in 50 or 100 years Brexit will be seen as important. I can't get worked up about it either way. We were half hearted when we were in it, it's not the end of the world if we leave. It's not brilliant if we leave either.
It really doesn't matter that much. We'll find other countries to trade with, the EU will sink or swim without us.

Bear, you finding it tedious because presumably what Brexiteers think are the positives are not what you think is positive. So you can never have a satisfactory answer.

Obviously actually being outside the EU is the main positive. Then we have an end to FOM, budget contributions and the ECJ. The ability to do our own trade deals, have the supreme court supreme get our individual identity back. I am guessing you dont find all those things positive but many people do.

It's no different to disclosing a skeleton argument in litigation

Is it? In litigation there its either win or lose. This a negotiation where we have to come to an agreement. Hopefully where both sides win.

Bear - why do you keep starting these threads?
You ask the same questions over & over again, & then get all annoyed because you don't get the answers you want?
Why do you keep doing it?
Mumsnet clearly isn't giving you satisfaction so why not go on twitter or somewhere?

Bear, you finding it tedious because presumably what Brexiteers think are the positives are not what you think is positive. So you can never have a satisfactory answer

No jamie, I'm finding it tedious because not a single brexiteer has told me what the positives are using anything other than soundbites and bravado.

No one has countered the consequences with the benefits.

What do any of the things you've mention actually translate to?

surfer I'd kind of hoped someone would have thought of a few positives 10 months on.

I'm touched you follow me though

Ok so I haven't been insulting but you keep insulting me as I guess I'm part of the "brexit" team, I have to ask though what the fuck is a sound bite that I keep being accused of using?

OMG I just posted you a link to an article showing some ways in which it could be beneficial or less worse (however you want to see it) and you are here still complaining that noone has countered the onsequences.

This PROVES you are just NOT LISTENING and will ignore information given to you.

This is waste of time even bothering with you. Enjoy your miserable life

Hi Surfer it's like a bad school reunion in here isn't it? The aging bully strutting around whining how life hasn't worked out. Shame the intolerant bigots closed the Arms down or we could have popped in for a glass of fizz.

I agree Spectre she is being a toady cunt and ignoring answers because they don't suit her or aren't the answer she wants. Maybe she could tell us exactly what will go wrong seeing as she expects us to tell her exactly what will go right.

Ffs spectre, that article is 12 months old.

Based on where we are at today, what is there to look forward to.

Do you have thoughts of your own or do you just rely on twelve month old newspaper articles?

Stop SHOUTING Spectre8.

In litigation there its either win or lose well yes, but that is no different o reaching a final position on Brexit. The judge hardly reads the skeleton then goes 'win' or 'lose' for that side. It is a group of interconnected points that build up a case. This is a group of interconnected 'wants' - we don't have to set out our final position or a hierarchy of needs, perhaps an ideal position or maybe even traffic light our wants?

Perhaps it it more akin to a Term Sheet on a corporate deal. Even a list both parties agree on "these things need sorting out" would be nice to see. I'm afraid 'Brexit means Brexit' is a little too simplistic for me.

Bear FWIW there's just no point asking, I feel your pain. I'm trying to come it it from a different angle.

I meant goady, obviously. Not sure what a toady cunt would be like.

dont, easy on the insults love.

You've shown us how completely uninformed you are so you're on a bit of a back foot really.

Meh.. fair point. Still entitled to voice how you are being, I seem to know more about your attitude than brexit I guess.

Bearbehind I echo those thoughts and what they wrote 12 months ago is stil valid today since nothing has materially changed. And I will shout if that is what it takes to get it through.

Bear - do you have any thoughts of your own other than listening to all the bad news coming out? No? Didn't think so?

Its ok for you to be swallowing all the negative news articles coming out but not for anyone else to then use news articles to respond back to you irrespective of timeline. Like I said fuck wasting my time on you as you will stay unhappy even when the deal is done your the type of person who will still be unhappy and even if it proves to be the best thing we do you will find something to be unhappy about.

I don't follow you, I hardly look on the ref board anymore - why are you starting a thread about Brexit in AIBU? You know the rules, use the correct forum. I left the ref board because you were boring the arse off me with the same questions over & over. & now here you are on AIBU.
NO ONE WILL EVER GIVE YOU THE ANSWERS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR
not on MN anyway.
I have a feeling your masochistic obsession with Brexit has a deeper meaning. If I were you I'd book myself an hour in a sex dungeon & get tied up & whipped.
Or find God.

spectre, it's a playground argument to say, 'I'm not answering you because you won't answer me'

I have plenty of thoughts on the subject which are based on an almagamation of the information available- i don't just take 1 newspaper article and base my thoughts on it.

It quite clear that, even 10 months down the line, no one on the Leave side has any expectations or aspirations- it's still just flag waving.

TM must laugh herself to sleep every night- with expectations so low she can do no wrong.

You love me really surfer

Op is clearly looking for an argument, I suggest we just leave her to wallow in her unhappiness and move on to something more important, maybe tackle things we can actually make an impact on. Us arguing won't actually solve anything and the people in charge of what will happen aren't going to be looking on this thread for advice.

No one has countered the consequences with the benefits
You can call them sound bites but that doesn't make them any less relevant. Again as other posters who know you better keep repeating, you just dont like the answers.
I have listed the highlights of my positives but you have dismissed them because you call them 'soundbites'. The problem is you just dont want to leave the EU.

What do any of the things you've mention actually translate to
Leaving the EU is self explanatory.
An end to FOM? Means if you want to move to our country, you will have to get our permission before you come.
An end to budget contributions means we wont have to pay the EU for the privilege of doing trade.
And end to ECJ rule means when the supreme court rules it cant be appealed at the ECJ
The ability to do our own trade deals seems self explanatory to me.
We will also start to feel like British citizens again and there wont be the confusion of us being EU citizens.
We will have a British representative on international bodies instead of just being one of 28 represented by the EU.
We wont be directly exposed when anything bad happened in any of the other EU countries.
We wont feel like the EU is our keeper and we are able to stand on our own 2 feet making us more confident.

They are not sound bites, they are the positives I voted to leave the EU for. And I will put up will some hurdles to get there.

InfiniteSheldon

Leavers reunited. - pub. 8th/ 9th June.

dont I'm really not looking for an argument, just answers and assurances.

However you've completely blown my mind today.

You've shown me some people are so completely uninformed on this subject that there won't ever be any answers.