To ask who is happy with the way Brexit is going?

[Bearbehind]

I've started a few threads with similar titles over the months but this weekend seems to have been an outpouring of bad news so I wondered who is actually happy with how things are going

From where I'm standing

-It's looking like the government are actually as deluded as many of us feared if you believe the leaked account of this weeks meeting with the EU.
-Theresa May's election campaign is made up of staged events with staged audiences and preselected questions

• there is no opposition to speak of

Who is happy with these continued sound bites in lieu of actual answers and policies?

They don't care if the economy collapses when Brexit forces the UK to lose half our export markets

I don't pretend the process is going to be easy, but the suggested decimation of our exports is something I've always found hard to accept

No doubt there'll be endless grandstanding, but is it really likely that importers who buy products they like, from suppliers they trust, at a price they want to pay, are going to cut their noses off to spite their faces? I can't see it myself ...

If the price goes up they will. they will look for an alternative. That is business.

Yes I could spend my next 20 mins of so typing up answers to you questions but really I can't be bothered because its a waste of my time and energy putting it across to someone who isn't going to listen. Other people have responded to your other questions and you haven't even taken it into consideration you just argued against it. Happy to share my information but only with people who are willing to look at another person's viewpoint and consider it even if they then still stick with their original position at least the have the decency to entertain another viewpoint. You on the other hand aren't.

Enjoy worrying about the brexit - as I said earlier if worrying about it and starting numerous threads on it makes your life happy and content then fair enough but its not how I want to live my life.

All I will say is that currencies and economies are affected by sentiment and uncertainty and people/companies use events to fan the flames of uncertainty to make themselves rich on the markets. I know because I made a large amount of money betting the FTSE100 would drop on most days during the last recession because everyday there were more negative stories coming out scaring the markets. It was so easy to predict and I am a novice at trading. I suggest you watch the Big Short because the ending is a real eye opener.

That's true, Marcia - but then, if sterling goes completely through the floor as the doom mongers insist it will, our products would actually cost the remaining EU countries less, not more

Unless you're thinking of the EU imposing trade tariffs on our goods of course, in which case there'd be nothing to stop us doing the same while offering better prices to our emerging markets elsewhere. Given that we're one of the EU's biggest customers I can't see the likes of BMW, etc, appreciating that ...

Betting on the market is one thing. Something you have the privilege and opportunity to do. What about real life human beings - their jobs, their pensions, their right not to be harassed in the street, or to lose their legal right to remain living their lives in the same way they were before this shambles? Is it,really worth it? What will you gain in return for this clusterfuck?

Puzzled, we already trade with most of the world. There are not any large emerging markets that will make up for any EU losses. We trade with them already. We just trade under the EU banner and conditions. We won't get BETTER conditions outside the EU. I really can't understand how people find this SO hard to comprehend.

None of that has been decided so everything is hypothethical or conjecture. Noone has said those rights are going to be abandoned so why keep spinning out those lines. The government have said there is arepeal bill which will be reviewed and not everything will be changed but that isn't good enough for you clearly and before the EU the government have been meddling with pensions anyway and will continue to do so. AS for jobs automation is coming in not too near distant future which is far more of a concern...driverless cars, trains etc will wipe up plenty of jobs and if you don't believe me there are driverless car trials happening the south east right now.

Unless you're thinking of the EU imposing trade tariffs on our goods of course, in which case there'd be nothing to stop us doing the same while offering better prices to our emerging markets elsewhere.

Under WTO rules we can't offer preferential tariffs to particular countries unless we have a free trade agreement with them.

Spectre, if they meddle with my reciprocal pension entitlement then I'm sure you'll be happy to put me up in my old age. All hypothetical and nothing to worry about of course ;-)

If you say so bear

MarciaBlaine with all due respect being in my 30's I am not even banking on there even being a state pension by the time I retire but damned if I will ever sit and moan about it if that does happen because it won't change anything.

^I know because I made a large amount of money betting the FTSE100 would drop on most days during the last recession because everyday there were more negative stories coming out scaring the markets.*

Welcome back, Harry/loadsofmoney!!

Yes I could spend my next 20 mins of so typing up answers to you questions but really I can't be bothered

That's a recurring theme on Brexit threads

Funny really, makes me think you actually have absolutely no answers whatsoever

I agree Bear. I started my own thread a while back about the positives of Brexit ('what should I be looking forwards to?') and I gave up. All the Brexiteers responses where:

"I've already answered before, I'm not going to repeat myself"

"I have answers but I'm not telling you because the remainers keep calling us names"

"see it always trueness to Remoaners calling us names, this is why we don't join in"

.....ad infinitum....

I think we concluded that we might not have to see the little cookies warning pop up when we visited a website but nothing more concrete than that....

*turns not trueness

I hate autocorrect

After seeing the word "deluded" in the Op I just skipped right through to the end - if you're asking I'd say Brexit is going as expected so far, all sides getting their ducks in a row with loads of negotiations, agreements, understandings and shin-kicking along the way.

If any interested party declared a fixed approach or policy now I'd first think how stupid do you think I am....like you're going to declare what you got now.....

All going along as expected....you no like OP?

Well considering you keep opening reoccuring threads whats your point? Your have no answers either.. if your doign tit for tat. But hey at least I know I don't sit about wasting my time worrying about brexit as you do.

But alas you even missed my small response on the question you had about the drop in the currency ... didn't even acknowledge I actually did respond to one of your questions but lets not let that get in the way of you saying I haven't got any answers when I have shown you in one question that I do.

Clearly shown yourselves up there and proves my point that even if I did give you indepth infomation to all your answers you wouldn't acknowledge it.

Oh shut up, OP. Frankly. Why don't you hide under your duvet until it all blows over. Get a grip. Are you always so easily swayed by 48hrs of dodgy biased news reporting? You'll be lining your walls with the Guardian begging letters next and signed photos of Jezza.

I don't think it's got anything to do with not having answers OP, but it's like Ground hog day on these Brexit threads. The opening post usually says something along the lines of ....'genuine question; are Brexiteers happy with how Brexit is going - interested to hear your thoughts, etc, etc'....... but the truth is that the OP isn't really interested in the views of anyone who voted to leave, it's just a way of reeling people in to then accuse them of ruining the country and of being ignorant and uneducated, and the thread then just descends into a lot of aggressive insults. So you can't blame people for not responding to questions, because to give the same answers over and over again isn't productive in any way and just gets tedious. Each party has decided which camp they sit in, and hell will freeze over before anyone actually takes on board anything anyone else has to say on the subject.

Puzzled, we already trade with most of the world

I realise that, but there's no reason why trade can't be increased by the UK dealing directly with other markets - and yes, that might involve negotiating free trade agreements if we consider them beneficial. The point, surely, is that we would then be calling the tune (and admittedly taking the risk) instead of the EU dictating far too much of what we can and cannot do

But in order to do this (rather nebulous thing) we have to give up so much??"

YABU to ask.

Brexit is so fucking boring now. All the threads are either doom and gloom apocalypse predictions or smarmy leaver circle jerks over Queen Theresa.

Both sides need to be handed a huge grip.

It might be better. It might just go okay. It might be a complete fucknado. No one knows.

On the rights of EU nationals in the UK and vice versa

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/01/revealed-eu-has-secretly-plotting-block-theresa-may-eu-migrants/

What I don't understand is what exactly the Brexshitters think we've got in the way of cards to play.

Threaten a trade war? - well we'd lose 50% of our exports, they'd only lose 12% of theirs.

Plus that would prompt a mass exodus of banks and manufacturing jobs to.... er.... the EU.

Refuse to guarantee the rights of EU citizens? - well they'll all just fuck off home, leaving huge gaps in our workforce. While the vast majority of Brits living in the EU don't work, and will be no loss at all to their current host nation.

Threaten to.... er..... what else? I literally can't even think of any other ridiculous claim to shoot down.

The sooner everyone in Britain sobers up, and realises the arse-clenchingly awful position our 52% of the stupidest voters have put us in, the better.

You do know who owns the Telegraph, yes?
The same Barclay brothers who were investigated for nonpayment of tax on their hotel - the Ritz - and were exonerated thanks to complex non-dom status rules.
They are members of the ultrapowerful cabal on a mission to destabilise this country in order to maximise investment and profit opportunities.