To ask who is happy with the way Brexit is going?

[Bearbehind]

I've started a few threads with similar titles over the months but this weekend seems to have been an outpouring of bad news so I wondered who is actually happy with how things are going

From where I'm standing

-It's looking like the government are actually as deluded as many of us feared if you believe the leaked account of this weeks meeting with the EU.
-Theresa May's election campaign is made up of staged events with staged audiences and preselected questions

• there is no opposition to speak of

Who is happy with these continued sound bites in lieu of actual answers and policies?

Ok yabba how do you see us 'tapping into the global market'

What can we offer that we couldn't inside the EU?

And more importantly, what can we gain?

Do you generally not pay your bills or act in breach of your contracts?

I don't, no - but when it's my decision to make, I try to deal with responsible and ethical organisations wherever I can, which I find makes honouring a contract more of a palatable experience

And what an interesting turn of phrase, iamavodkadrinker ... proof, perhaps, of why many of us can't be bothered to engage with the kind of bitter remoaners who, bereft of any sensible arguments, express themselves like this instead

Yes I am very happy, I didn't expect anything to be different. Its a process we are in, no one could say what that looked like, and I am glad we have TM to take us through it.

If you were to get divorced and your spouse said give me lots of money first then I'll discuss what you might be able to have. Would that be reasonable?

And this is a really good example of why using 'divorce' as directly analogous is so dopey.

That said, I'd expect a divorcing couple to sort out who was responsible for what share of the bills they'd run up and and financial commitments they'd entered while married before they, say, bought an investment property together and decided how they were going to run it.

What is this infatuation with TM?

She is completely unable to answer a question with anything other than soundbites, usually starting with 'let me be clear' and including the words 'strong' and 'stable' and which bears no resemblance to the question asked.

Why are people being taken in by it?

Why aren't people demanding more?

I'm not at all happy with Brexit. It's going exactly as I thought it would.

Well one could say the same of the EU, why were people taken in by it and why didn't they demand more. Luckily we did demand more, got nothing and made the right decision to come out.
I struggle to understand what people thought Brexit would look like?

A smooth swift transition? I am sure all Remainers are very happy there is to be a GE and thus legitimize TM position.

It's a bit of a cop out to answer a question with a question blowing

Why are you happy with Mays platitudes?

What difference will the GE make?

It's a negotiation.

You literally cannot believe anything, nor will you actually know anything before the end deal. The press have pages to fill and will fill them with anything.

The "leak" was via a partisan german media source and parroted by all other press. Were they likely to say "went really well UK rock!"

The "official" statement from both heads of state was "it was constructive".

Neither are true!

Yes I am happy with TM I am not however infatuated with her she is by far the best politician we have at this present time.

The difference the GE will make is - if she wins, on here posters wont be able to keep claiming she is "un elected" and " I thought you Leavers wanted democracy....hahaha. and its worth it just to stop hearing one same old same old trotted out

High end manufactured products (jaguar land rover/dyson showing the way) and high end R&D for a start bear financial products will always flow through London. Ultimately what has anyone got to offer that others can't you've got to either do it better or cheaper and cheaper will not be an option? Investment is key to growing the economy.

Maybe then we can invest in new technology and stop the reliance on cheap labour from the failed EU nations and actually improve productivity and have real gdp growth per capita.

Brexit is happening. The day after the referendum there was no going back.

So who would you rather have as our leader? Corbyn? He's really a leaver. Fallon? Seems a nice chap, but not who I would choose.

The trouble I find with a lot of the remainers is they don't have an answer other than to ignore the referendum.

she is by far the best politician we have at this present time.

Sadly, even if that were true it would be in the back drop of some pitilfully poor competition.

It doesn't matter how big TMs majority is, 1 person or 65m stamping their feet at the door of the EU like petulant children isn't going to cut it.

I've noticed the common factor here is that no Leavers are even beginning to question the complete lack of answers or plans.

TM must be pissing herself laughing TBF, it doesn't get easier than this for her- it's like the pied piper.

renaisannce the answer was, the day after the referendum, to say, ok, a majority want to leave the EU, lets now spend some time looking at how we can do that.

Nearly a year on the government have absolutely no clue how this will play out so are trying to brave it out with arrogance, complacency and bravado- if that convinces you then I'm interested to know why.

The swivel-eyed loons are positively excited at the prospect of jumping over the cliff.

They don't care if the economy collapses when Brexit forces the UK to lose half our export markets. They are privately wealthy.

If they do incur any financial losses it will be a price worth paying to see state healthcare and state education completely disbanded. They want to return to the era where all schools and healthcare were either private or charitable institutions.

Bearbehind

You are aware that the protection of EU nationals would have been sorted before A50 invoked if the EU hadn't said no?

Why are you even falling for the news in mainstream media - seriously who even thinks main stream media even reports factual information, each has its own agenda to push on the EU and Brexit. Of course they will continue to reprot bad news about us leaving, project fear used by governments all over the world to control people to act or behave in the way they want to push their agendas.

Article 50 has been triggered and I'd rather sit and wait to see what the deal actually is than waste my time starting numerous threads over unsubstantiated information. Seriously if you died tomorrow are you really going to be wishing you spent more time worrying about Brexit - jsut get on with your life and live it and deal with what comes your way when it does.

OP I can't decide whether you are genuinely looking for answers or just a goady fucker trying to stir things.

I'm not convinced or unconvinced. I'm very much wait and see. However, I do think we are in a kind of phoney war at the moment. The guns haven't really started firing. As important as who the leader is, will be the opposition. Now that's a real worry.

As I said earlier I voted remain, however I refuse to believe that Brexit is the end of the UK as we know it. It might be bumpy, but I think we will come through. The EU was far from a perfect organisation with a deep reluctance to reform. I think there were huge risks to staying in as well as leaving.

felx, why is it considered being goady to want answers on the biggest thing to happen in most of our lifetimes?

You might want to blank out the reality- I don't- I wasn't answers.

You are aware that the protection of EU nationals would have been sorted before A50 invoked if the EU hadn't said no?

That's more than a little disingenuous boney

I don't know what answers you want though Bear, I feel you need a crystal ball to address the type of impossible questions you ask.

Maybe a crystal ball was needed blowing which is why I'll never understand the leap of faith that was required to vote Leave.

I've never asserted that the EU was perfect but to jump off a cliff, with absolutely no plan and a bunch of arrogant, complacent arseholes leading the charge is economic suicide unless you can convince me otherwise.

Leaving the EU is, and always was, the best decision, and I'm very happy with TM leading us into Brexit. Even more so when I come on a thread like this where Leavers have been called Cunts, deluded idiots and swivel eyed loons. I'm glad not to be associated with a group of people who use language like this to describe someone else solely because they dare to have an opinion different to their own.

Well acquaint yourself with history; for examples of leaps of faith.

YY Livelove.