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Why do teachers favour certain kids so obviously?

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Zhan · 28/04/2017 11:42

Just thinking back to when I was at school - primary especially and it was always the same kids that got a decent shot at stuff.

School plays it was always the same 3 kids that got the main parts every single year despite other kids (myself included) desperately wanting a go at being in the limelight. PE, again the same kids getting chosen as captains every single lesson. Music - the school had a limited number of decent instruments - guess who got the guitar/drums/keyboards EVERY lesson and guess who got the fucking triangle.

I know it's natural to have favourites but to make it so obvious and so unfair to the "less popular" kids who also want a shot at the good stuff???

Seems like not much had changed when my kids started school. The same kids getting the good parts in the plays, the same kids getting to play the decent instruments and the same kids getting chosen to "edit" the school mag. The same kids winning Easter competitions, the same kids winning "pupil of the month" etc etc ....

Who do they do it?

I feel quite bitter about my school experience and am disappointed to see that nothing has changed 20 years later.

Can any teachers shed any light?

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Jessikita · 29/04/2017 18:03

It happened at my primary school as well. The same children got to do everything. At first it made me try so hard to get picked but then when I realised I would never and got fed up of being upset I stopped even trying. I even started being a bit rebellious as it made no difference to how you were treated.
I even asked a teacher once, I asked why Lucy was allowed to do the job all the time and all I got was a bollocking!

It's really disheartening.

Mumzypopz · 29/04/2017 18:13

Piglet it is true at my secondary. I don't know many secondaries that do star of the week, do you?! Or housepoints?! By the time they get to yr 8, the kids are a bit embarrassed getting merits.

Cubtrouble · 29/04/2017 18:25

It happens everywhere it seems. 🙄

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 29/04/2017 18:40

I don't know many secondaries that do star of the week, do you?! Or housepoints?! By the time they get to yr 8, the kids are a bit embarrassed getting merits

Yes I do know of secondary schools that do house points, achievements awards, attendance records etc.

Just because you haven't heard of it it doesn't mean it doesn't happen!

Mumzypopz · 29/04/2017 18:49

Do they do star of the week piglet? Or golden child award? I'd be surprised if they do. My point was it's not the same as at primary. High school kids think attendance awards are daft....They are no longer jealous of the kids who get them?! Instead of just having one kid teaching your child like at primary, there is a teacher per subject, so lots of opportunities to try different things and receive praise. And piglet, just because you haven't heard of schools that don't do certificates all the time doesn't mean that doesn't happen either.

Mumzypopz · 29/04/2017 18:51

Not one kid...Sorry...One teacher

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 29/04/2017 19:07

And piglet, just because you haven't heard of schools that don't do certificates all the time doesn't mean that doesn't happen either.

I never said there wasn't. You did say schools don't, when they do.

They are no longer jealous of the kids who get them?!

No but they do want them however and get disappointed when they don't.

Spottyladybird · 29/04/2017 19:09

I'm a teacher, I always ask who'd like a speaking part in plays or assemblies and give them the parts. If there is a shy or quiet child amongst them I'll give them extra opportunities to practise and extra support on the day. Some children don't want speaking parts so I'll make sure they get to do something that plays to their strengths- set design, programmes, PowerPoint etc and will big them up for it.
When it comes to sport, those who have been to practice get picked for teams. If they have gone regularly they WILL get a game, even if they're not the best player. It means that if they show commitment then they get the reward.
Class jobs I do out of the hat at the start of the day or week. Extra jobs (librarian, Pe cupboard etc) the children apply for- again showing commitment.
Every child deserves a chance to shine at something they're good at.

BoomBoomsCousin · 29/04/2017 19:12

My kids' last school was fantastic about this sort of thing. Main parts moved around the class. Assemblies and plays were designed to spread participation, not concentrate it on a few people. And they worked really hard to make sure all the children, even the shy ones had a positive experience speaking in front of an audience. They put a lot of time and effort into it and it really seemed to pay off. At the end of every half term there were two children chosen from each class to go into the "Head's Book" (on display in reception). One child was voted on by the class and one chosen by the teachers, no child could go in the book more than once a year. Voted children did tend to being the popular ones, but the teachers balanced that out with their picks. Chats with parents further up the school (and older children) confirmed that everyone got in the book a couple of times before they left.

There was a star of the week, and deputy head teacher rewards for special effort and behaviour. These were used to reward children for stretching themselves - whether they were academic stars (like one of my children) or "invisible middles" (like another), or children with special challenges (like one of my kids' best friends).

The only area where this did not happen was sport after the hiring of a PE specialist. He focused very much on the "stars" and on traditional competitive boys sports at the expense of others. This was a real shame as my kids - both in the 5th centile for size and not particularly physically adept - were beginning to get into sport before he came along.

The teachers of the classes my kids were in were particularly good at thinking about the activities it did in terms of how they developed the class, rather than simply thinking - oh, now it's school play time, what's the easiest way to do this. Which I think is what happened at school when I used to go. My kids class teachers were phenomenal though. I was almost always highly impressed with their skill and dedication.

When I was in school it was very different. In primary school plays were about impressing parents, so same confident children starred every year (of which I was one). Prizes were for attainment not effort. So older children in year almost always got them (again, I was one). At middle school things changed a little, plays, sport teams etc. were mainly lunch time and after school activities. Everyone could participate if they wanted but didn't have to, so self selection was a big part of it. Confidence was not enough for a starring part in the school plays, our drama teacher favoured stage school kids and it was very much a case of show casing a few kids rather than developing something they could all have big parts in, but they were spectacular productions and that in itself was quite an experience to be a part of, even dressed up as a non-speaking six of hearts (my biggest role). PE was worse - the good people got chosen to captain teams and the rest of the classes were "picked" by the captains, one by one. So the better and more popular kids picked early week after week and the not so good ones left till the end every week. Horrendous way to run a lesson. School teams were Open to everyone, butit was the same people captained or played the majority of the game every time with others slotted in for ten minutes here and there. Art was much bigger at middle school and there were a lot of competitions, invariably won by the same few kids. Art lessons were more inclusive but attention and time definitely went on the ones the teacher thought were talented. Music lessons were just (poor) childcare with no consideration or time given to children who weren't already musically accomplished. Some of us were even told to mime rather than coached on how to do better, when we did singing. I excelled at sport, so my lack of talent in other areas didn't bother me much, though my appalling musical education has haunted me ever since in terms of confidence to, for instance, sing happy birthday at parties.

I have some sympathy for the action of teachers giving up their free not wanting to have children who don't want to be there forced on them. But most clubs are voluntary so you only have the enthusiastic. A teacher who only wants the talented rather than the enthusiastic, strikes me as being in the wrong job and primary and secondary school level.

I think there is a lot to be said for having some activities that are engaged in the pursuit of excellence for those that are talented/work hard. But schools must not simply give up on those who aren't excellent in order to free up resources for those that are. I'm really glad to say there are a lot fo teachers out there who don't. The teachers my kids have had at school have been heads and shoulders above the ones I had at their age in terms of skill and dedication in teaching all children. It's such a shame government policy seems to constantly undermine them.

Shockedwife · 29/04/2017 19:19

I don't and I'm a teacher I feel equally neutral about them all

BoneyBackJefferson · 29/04/2017 19:38

Mumzypopz

We have boards around the school, naming the children of the week/fortnight.

Frankly they are a joke. Why?

Because every child must have their name on them at least once. There are 1200 pupils in the school, 39 weeks in the year and it doesn't work.

Even the pupils think that it is ridiculous.

Mumzypopz · 29/04/2017 19:39

Piglet...You clearly did.....I said high schools don't do certificates so much etc...And you said quote "if only this were true!!" So you did say there wasn't!!! And there is. My daughter reports the majority of kids in her year really don't want merits. Maybe yours does, who knows, but it's certainly not on the kids in my daughter's school radar. They really don't get jealous. And nether do I. There are lots more opportunities for her to get praise etc than there was at primary. At primary the things that wound me up were school plays, and golden children awards. School plays because they had to be in them, no choice not to be and then they had a rubbish part every year whilst we had to watch the same kids over and over. To be honest it hot boring. By year five, I no longer had to ask my child who got the best parts, because I could already guess. It became very tiresome. Generally parents don't go to school plays to watch other children, they go to see their own childs contribution, and if they care hidden at the back with a glum look on their face, it's annoying. I really don't know why teachers can't realise that.

Bobbi73 · 29/04/2017 19:48

When my son was in year one, he had a fantastic teacher who got all the children to say nice things about each other and then wrote it all up on pieces of paper and stick them up on the wall. It was a lovely thing to do both for the individual child and the class as a whole. Unfortunately, now he's in year 2 and his teacher couldn't be more different! She very obviously favours some children and can be very hard on the others. My son now keeps telling me all the things that he's bad at 🙁

frazzlebedazzle · 29/04/2017 20:07

Like that story grannytomine Smile

Longdistance · 29/04/2017 20:19

It does happen, and quite clearly before my eyes too.

In my senior school, the kids that were favoured were the ones who's parents were parent governors/PTA members.

With my dd's it's those that do well.

I have dd1 who's top of the class, gets lots of certificates and praise etc, and is on the anti bullying committee.
Dd2, youngest in her year, struggles with things, not much in the way of certificates/ prizes either.

It really is the teachers picking and choosing who's the best, and not giving others a chance.

Well, that's my experience of it all..

mumof3boys33 · 30/04/2017 08:17

I think our primary school aren't too bad. They do celebration assembly once a week where 2 children from each year group achieve pupil of the week. They all get pupil of the week, no child gets it several times in a row. The younger children don't notice, but once mine got older they noticed that their turn comes round, so they feel it's their "turn" rather than deserving it. Unless of course they get it early on in the term, then feel it's more deserved.
My children are quite spread out in age, so we've been at the primary school 12 years so far. I have noticed they pick the same children to represent the school for sports, mine don't get chosen, the school play main parts often go to children who's parents are on the PTA.
Though when one of mine was in year 2 they did a pretend wedding in a church (when Kate and Will got married) my son was the teacher's favourite and everyone knew he would get chosen to be the groom.
So each year after that he wanted the main part in everything. He didn't get it again!

hels71 · 30/04/2017 08:49

I run a drama club at my school. I am expected to put on a musical each term with them. I have been told to accept everyone who wants to join so it s quite large. I have 45 minutes a week for 12 weeks to put this together. You would think with it being an after school voluntary club everyone there would be keen in drama, but at least 6 of this terms list hate acting/singing/dancing and are there because parents want free childcare. I am spending my bank holiday weekend jiggling parts around to make sure everyone gets lines to say. Some will have a few, some will have lots. The bigger parts with be going to those who actually make an effort when they are there and learn their lines. Some children who did well in small parts last term have bigger ones this term. Some who could not bothered to learn two lines have still got the smaller parts. I do my best to make it fair for everyone, but unless people who write plays start doing them where each part has the same number of lines some are always going to have more. All of them will have their moment on the stage. It takes me hours to sort out and still.parents moan. I am seriously thinking of stopping offering this club, but feel sorry for the ones who actually enjoy it no matter what part they get...

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SideOrderofSprouts · 30/04/2017 09:14

At our school I am on the pta and a parent helper etc. most kids in
Both my two dds years know me

Doesn't mean they get picked for everything though. Dd2 was picked to say the names of songs in nursery Christmas singing because she was advanced with her speech

They regretted that one

On the nativity she was a star.

I've been told dd1 is top in her year for literacy and is fairly popular. But it's the girl that tried to bully her who is picked for
Most things. Thankfully at our school everyone gets a chance for most things

SideOrderofSprouts · 30/04/2017 09:14

When I was at school it happened at both primary and
Secondary

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