Carole Middleton went out of her way to marry off her daughters to society millionaires & royalty or mere coincidence??

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Aibu to think that Carole Middleton went out of her way to marry off Kate & Pippa to royalty & society millionaires?? Wills & James Matthews are hardly oil paintings, would the girls look at them twice if they worked in Tesco? Reading about Pippa's wedding tonight & it seems the sisters were both quite the social climbers in Marlborough which was encouraged by their mother? I have friends in similar circles & it seems they are very hard to break into if you are not "old money/landed gentry types" so I think Carole achieved what she set out to do! Roll on Pippa's wedding, looking forward to seeing the dress!

OP I fear that a lot of the pushy mum stuff is a hangover from the gossip during their split, and the whole "doors to manual" jibes, which if I recall was followed by a statement from William disputing everything.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1548738/Divided-by-family-misfortunes.html

Can be trusted to behave appropriate with sister's Royal in-laws. Look in the background and even Kate's lady copper is smiling at his loveliness.

still does more engagements than them at 90 queen

I think you'll find that's because she's the monarch. Whereas William is 2nd in line to the throne. 2nd!!

And while we're on the subject, I think what William, Harry and Catherine are doing for the national conversation on mental health is incredibly important. All 3 are to be applauded IMHO. They are making their own pathways for positive change both within society and within the Royal Family. They are doing things their way. And they are doing them better.

MrsHenryWales if only your mother had known the voodoo magic, you could have married him yourself. That's all it takes apparently

Oh yes. The fact that I'm thick as shit and look like the back end of a bus would have completely passed him by. I shall be show to have words with my DM. She has totally failed me. I should probably go NC.

sure

She did go out of her way. Really blatantly. I'm not sure why people try to deny that now, she sure wasn't at all subtle about it at the time.

Kate didn't just follow William to St Andrews, she and her mother had been specifically seeking out connections to him for years before that. Literally stalking people who could get them in that circle, with varied success. It was one of those connections that got her past security checks at St Andrews. I doubt it was Kate's idea as a young teenager to follow these people she didn't meet naturally around and try to strike up a helpful friendship.

Apart from anything else she and her husband and shady uncle Gary funded Kate's lifestyle all those years she was unemployed and just hanging about at William's beck and call. Surely any parent who wasn't committed to the idea of marrying into royalty would have instead encouraged their child to stand on their own and stopped aiding her in being some guys fallback? William dumped Kate and celebrated wildly multiple times, he invited her on holidays then sent her home within hours, he demanded she be available to him at all times then rarely spent time with her and he hit on practically every other woman he knew (with little to no success). That Kate was able to hang around through all of that, well into adulthood with no money of her own, shows her family were just as committed to playing the long game.

KMC really? You don't think attending private school spitting distance from Highgrove had something to do with the two of them moving in the same circles?

Mike Middleton was a flight attendant but later became a flight despatcher.

Carole and Mike were the parents of the Brady bunch weren't they?

got her past security checks at St Andrews Of course, what with the Middletons being a well-known bunch of terrorists, getting passed St Andrew's security checks would have been impossible without 'help'.

'Oh. I went to Edinburgh University? I had no idea this was meant to get you a posh husband, or that this was the only reason to go there.'

Edinburgh Uni is teeming with posh sorts though. Birds of a feather and all that.

don't all parents want their children to marry well (emotionally physically socially educationally the whole spectrum of a healthy relationship) of course some don't want to marry but my point is I certainly didn't hope mine would marry poorly.
i'm pretty certain km uni degree has been helpful in the charity work she does (preparation presentation organization etc.).

I heart James Matthews

Seriously? Of course she did. She was absolutely infamous for it. Those girls were raised from birth to believe their entire raison d'etre was to snare a wealthy husband. And they literally stalked William - sent her on specific educational trips abroad that he was enrolled or rumoured to be enrolled in, and switched her university place more than once in order to ensure she wound up going to the same university at the same time. There are a million specific small examples of seeking them out and trying to engineer meetings, and of course the infamous nude dress incident!

Yes a lot of it is due to class snobbery, and I've personally witnessed a lot of that myself. When they married I cheered because I thought it was about time a normal person came into the RF. But they've been so shockingly badly behaved, petulant and so incredibly workshy and the fact the Palace are sick of it and are now throwing them under a bus means things are only going to get worse, especially with the engagement news still to break.

Otoh I do completely agree that all the awful stuff about Will being coerced or manipulated is misogynistic nonsense. (I got banned from Celebitchy for calling out misogyny there.) William was an adult man of extreme power and privilege, no one could force him into anything.

Harry's engagement?

Who's been thrown under a bus?

It matter nit what CM dud or what KM did to lure hon into marriage irrespective of whether Kate liked him or not. I doubt they were the only ones

I don't have the first hand knowledge of the family like kmc does bit I'm sure William isn't oblivious to his appeal and I'm sure he's quite capable of opting out of Mrs Bennett style plotting

"But they've been so shockingly badly behaved, petulant and so incredibly workshy and the fact the Palace are sick of it and are now throwing them under a bus means things are only going to get worse, especially with the engagement news still to break."

Can you explain this? How is the palace throwing them under a bus?

the Palace are sick of it and are now throwing them under a bus means things are only going to get worse

@TabascoToastie what total and utter bullshit. Did that just pop in to your head? Because I'd bet money you don't have any actual examples of the 'Palace' throwing anyone under any buses. Metaphorically or otherwise.

You do realise publishing your defamatory comments on an 'anonymous' internet forum isn't a defence against an allegation of libel, right?

If I was Carole or Mike Middleton I'd be suing the ruddy arse off the lot of you.

maybe I am
or maybe I'm their press secretary keeping tabs on you all
I'll expect an apology in the morning

Hands up all those MNers born of better pedigree than the Middletons, who attended the right schools and made the right friends 'naturally' yet still didn't manage to bag a Prince.

Perhaps your mummies were too busy with the PTA to bother plotting your ascent to the throne.

Hard luck girls!!!

Oh FFS. How is being from a newly rich family (OMG how socially grasping!) and aiming for a well born future spouse any worse than being from a top aristocratic family and aiming for the same outcome? Isn't the whole aristocracy based on the premise that one should marry to the best advantage? Why are the Middleton sisters judged more poorly than Beatrice/Eugenie York?

There is so much implicit class snobbery in the criticism of the Middletons. William seems happy as does Kate, they seem to have a better and more relaxed relationship than his parents did and the rest of his family aren't exactly paragons of good marriage, whilst her parents seem happily married. I don't give a fuck about the royal family but this double standard is crap. I'm glad the Middletons raised daughters who "infiltrated" the "aristocracy," time to breed this outdated, landed gentry crap away into non-existence.

I asked my question as all 3 children have had highly expensive educations but none of the 3 have used their education just their connections to better themselves
That's not strictly true. Didn't the brother have that personalised marshmallow business?

I'm not sure that the Middletons can really be described as 'newly rich'. Mike Middleton comes from a wealthy family, his children were sent to public schools with family money pretty similarly to previous generations in the family. They then were very successful in their own business, enough so that their children didn't really need to have careers. Not particularly unusual either. I would expect that their social circle has lots of very similar people in it. Not many princes perhaps, but I bet there are quite a few very wealthy hedge fund manager types to choose from, and I expect plenty of them are looking for educated, wealthy wives.

Op. have you been at the Emily bronte novels and secretly think Carole Middleton is mrs Bennett? 🙄

How does it work then for other mums? I think I shall encourage my daughter to marry prince Harry then.

Anyone want an invite to the wedding?

I asked my question as all 3 children have had highly expensive educations but none of the 3 have used their education just their connections to better themselves.....

I think you have fundamentally misunderstood one of the purposes of a highly expensive education.

I agree with Haffiana about the term 'to better themselves'.

I actually admire carole - started her own business when her kids small and it took off massively. That's a real achievement more so than a royal being born into a role and massive wealth.