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MIL hit DD (4) after being told repeatedly not to. NC against DH wishes?

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netflixandnappies · 09/04/2017 20:04

I've been wanting to post but have been shy because of judgement but I really need help as I am NC with my own family and DH isn't with me

I don't mind MIL but culturally we are not the same. She thinks it's okay to hit kids and for the most stupid bullshit, like "answering back" or spilling something if being told not to touch it. It's like she gets a thrill out of being a disciplinarian for the sake of it, as opposed to actually caring about raising a responsible healthy kid. She teases me all the time with comments like: "That shit couldn't have run in my house!" like it's a status symbol for your kids to be afraid of you. I grew up getting hit for reason, my mother was lazy and sadistic. I despise her now and we are NC after trying to be close for years.

I've never left DD alone with MIL once she hit 2 because I know what she's like. She can be lovely, but also ghetto (I come from a working class background I mean nothing by it) impatient and petty. I noticed the more DD developed a personality, MIL chastised her more. Last year I heard MIL say "stop that or I'll spank you". I was in the loo, DH was on a conference call. I came back and politely told her we don't ever do that, and even if we did, we's never extend it beyond our own discretion. She rolled her eyes and I really put my foot down and said nearly verbatim (obviously I can't recount word for word) "If you ever touch my child I won't have you around again because there'd be no trust and she isn't even naughty, you're just impatient and I'm sorry, but a little ghetto". I said the ghetto bit in a sort of jokey / serious tone that I can honestly say she didn't take offence to. We are from the same background and she knows what I mean.

On Friday MIL was with us in the living room being perfectly sweet, DD wanted an ice cream from the van outside. We all said no (no treats due to an earlier transgression). MIL was telling her no and to sit down and stop looking out the window like a puppy. DD turned around and said "I don't care" in tears and MIL got up, pulled up her skirt and gave her a huge smack on her bum. I thought she was getting up to take her from the window bay and appease her but she hit her! It happened in literally 3 seconds! I was up and grabbing my child and doing the obvious "how dare you's" but didn't want more of a scene as DD was clearly distressed (she's never been hit, or threatened to be hit). DH was trying to calm everything down after hearing the commotion and I went upstairs to calm DD down. MIL is downstairs saying I'm too soft when our DD is an ordinary child behaviour wise. What 4 year old doesn't have the odd cheeky come back? What 4 year old doesn't have the odd tantrum? I come downstairs and and grab her bag and jacket off the bannister and ask her nicely to leave so we can sort this out. DH is upset but thinks it's just a spank and he got loads when he was a kid and he turned out alright. We agreed together no spanking but somehow because it's his mother he feels like I'm being a bitch! Like she should get a pass! He conceded she will probably do it again if she see's fit so I said NC with DC!! No point having family around your kids and having to walk on eggshells because they have a fucked up flaw. He's saying NC with DC is ridiculous, she's not a pedophile etc......That's his mother etc....

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TheDogsEatingCaptainAmerica · 09/04/2017 20:46

Nope not overreacting. DH and I are both from 'ghetto' backgrounds. His mother is carribbean and he was quite frankly abused as a child which was disguised as 'discipline'. Some people turn out ok. Some people survive wars and are fine doesn't mean it's a good fucking idea. We both made the decision very early on that violent punishment would never happen in our house and if anyone ever laid a hands on our kids it would be a no brainier for both of us. I'm angry for you right now. And I understood your ghetto comments. Not everyone will Grin

netflixandnappies · 09/04/2017 20:46

lazyhazysummer i just wanted to give some context to her character and behaviour. Shes chavy. Loud, vulgar, swears a lot, doesn't value education and left DH's law school graduation to have a fag outside and missed him getting his degree. Ridiculous usage of slang that makes me cringe. Never worked a day in her life. DH had a teachers who pushed him all throughout secondary school to go to a top uni. Only God knows what would have happened if they didn't. She can also be sweet in her own way but she does make me cringe a lot.

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Billben · 09/04/2017 20:47

If she is "brave" enough to smack her in front of you, believe me she'll be smacking her when you are not around.

netflixandnappies · 09/04/2017 20:48

TheDogsEatingCaptainAmerica I'm from a Caribbean background and we say Ghetto as opposed to Chavvy but thats all I mean. I'm not snooping down my nose but that mentality is hard to deal with sometimes. She sniggers at me reading with DD and says "let her watch some bloody TV like a normal child"

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Chattymummyhere · 09/04/2017 20:48

Is it not the law now that you cannot anyway? I would have no problems calling the police on any fucker who smacked my child. Just because they are a child not adult does not give anyone the right to smack them. Nc is the minimum.

purplecoathanger · 09/04/2017 20:48

I would be absolutely livid and upset. I would definitely go NC, no question.

netflixandnappies · 09/04/2017 20:49

Billben I never have left her alone with DD apart from the odd 30 seconds to pee. I noticed her temper when DD was 2 and didn't like it.

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Goldmandra · 09/04/2017 20:49

I don't understand why posters are saying NC is too extreme so MIL should just be allowed contact while OP is there. This is exactly the situation when this event occurred.

OP you first need to sort this out with your DH. You and he need to present a united front on this. You need to find a time to discuss this calmly and work out an approach that you are both comfortable with.

My suggestion would be that your MIL will be able to spend time with you together as a family but only if she agrees that she will not ever hit your daughter again and she will reassure your DD of that the next time she sees her.

If she isn't prepared to agree not to hit her, she just can't be around her. Once she knows that you're serious, she will probably come round to the idea that agreeing not to hit her is a price worth paying to spend time with your DGD.

Sammysilver · 09/04/2017 20:50

OP, yes I do agree that back chatting is a broad term and can also be just about a child daring to express a view. I must say, my friends, who are also largely of Caribbean origin although born in U.K., do tend to smack their children . It is clearly so deeply ingrained so its great that you're taking a stand to break the cycle.

CosyCoupe88 · 09/04/2017 20:50

I would have wanted to hit MIL back on behalf of DD . you did very well handling it how you did and agree with previous posters that non contact period a good idea and a need tmfor an agreement from MIL to never hit her again and an apology to your daughter.

netflixandnappies · 09/04/2017 20:50

TheFirstMrsDV When I say her culture I don't even mean in an ethnic way. I just mean the culture of hitting kids etc.

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netflixandnappies · 09/04/2017 20:53

Sammysilver She looked at me like i'm INSANE when I grabbed DD in horror and like I was a traitor. I'm from a Caribbean background too but decided I'm going to take the good from my background and rationalise the bad. I love so many things about my culture but the lack of emphasis on children's rights isn't one.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 09/04/2017 20:53

I get you don't want to contact the police. I'm talking about how you play it with your mil. She needs to understand and really really get that what she did was illegal.... and wrong.

I'd use the tactic that she controls how much or how little she sees her gc. If she treats her with respect, she gets access, if she doesn't then there will be NC. That puts your mil in charge of access iyswim.

I think an initial period of NC is a good thing. Think I said that upthread.

Didiusfalco · 09/04/2017 20:53

I get you op. I don't think you're going to make much headway with her with the idea that children shouldn't be smacked - is there any chance dh can make it clear that discipline is not her job? I feel for you, I would be furious - unfortunately sounds like dh has normalised this. As is often said on here, in a way you have a dh problem.

Rainydayspending · 09/04/2017 20:54

I'd be fucking livid with the child bashing twisted excuse for a human. But. She's obviously got no idea how to actually behave around children (so people). Can you find some material about how to actually discipline children? Send that her way. I think NC is over the top. But I would utterly refuse any unsupervised time outside my own home. No visits to her property where she might become confused about boundaries (easy when she has none).
She also needs to apologise yo your daughter and your daughter needs to see her parents both agreeing that her grandmother's behaviour was entirely unacceptable.
People who can just casually inflict pain when a child is already being punished are not even acting out of shitty anger issues (common cover story). It's planned isn't it.

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/04/2017 20:55

She sounds like a bloody nightmare. Do you actually want your dd around her at all?

PoorYorick · 09/04/2017 20:55

You may be "ghetto" but you're classier than I am, I'd have walloped the cow, sent her out of my house and made it clear she's not welcome back until she apologises to my daughter and gives me her firm word that she'll never strike her again. And after that, it would be one strike (literally) and she's out, never seeing the child again.

diddl · 09/04/2017 20:55

Why isn't your husband livid-why is he making excuses?

Why does he want to let someone who hits your daughter into your house?

Orangebird69 · 09/04/2017 20:57

What Yorick said. With bells on.

netflixandnappies · 09/04/2017 20:58

He loves his mum so much and see's her as simply flawed. He has no dad. He does put his foot down with her on certain things that he knows she will comply to (smoking in the house etc) but says she will never ever keep her hands to herself if she feels DD needs a smack, although on a practical note he says I'm being dramatic because we can easily make sure she's never in a position to hit her again. For example give her the evil eye if DD ever acts up around her to stay out of it. MIL would never grab DD if I was talking to her and spank her. She'd only do it if there was an opening for her to which DH says he will never allow. He also says this is a one off as DD rarely has tantrums, so what are the odds she'll have another around her evil nanna? Especially after what's happened. My problem is that I feel I always need to be on alert. Fuck the tantrum, what if DD spills something? Or takes too long to come to the dinner table? I was hit for stuff like that I know her kind!!

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HarryPottersMagicWand · 09/04/2017 20:59

YANBU. Any 4 year old (or older) would be bothered by being told they weren't allowed an ice cream. Your DD looking out of the window didn't even warrant a telling off, let her look, she knows she isn't getting one. I'd have gone apeshit at anyone hitting my children. Go NC and make your DH see sense on this or he'll have your DD round to his awful mother behind your back. He knows she won't change so she isn't safe to be around your child.

FixItUpChappie · 09/04/2017 21:00

FixItUpChappie can't get rid of him It's solid.

good, good - SWer here - thats a real issue for some lots and lots of people. If I'm honest I'd need some period of NC to let things cool off cause I would lose my mind TBF.

xStefx · 09/04/2017 21:01

Op well done for managing that well as I would have slapped her. I think no contact is best until you can be sure she will adhere to your rules because if you don't do anything about it then she will keep doing it.

netflixandnappies · 09/04/2017 21:01

PoorYorick I'm regretting saying that word now ha! DH is a lawyer I'm a GP we come from horrid backgrounds but literally clawed ourselves out. His mum doesn't have one ounce of pride in him and his siblings resent us with a burning passion. Thats another post though.

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Sammysilver · 09/04/2017 21:02

I love so many things about my culture but the lack of emphasis on children's rights isn't one.
I'm 100% with you on that one.

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