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MIL hit DD (4) after being told repeatedly not to. NC against DH wishes?

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netflixandnappies · 09/04/2017 20:04

I've been wanting to post but have been shy because of judgement but I really need help as I am NC with my own family and DH isn't with me

I don't mind MIL but culturally we are not the same. She thinks it's okay to hit kids and for the most stupid bullshit, like "answering back" or spilling something if being told not to touch it. It's like she gets a thrill out of being a disciplinarian for the sake of it, as opposed to actually caring about raising a responsible healthy kid. She teases me all the time with comments like: "That shit couldn't have run in my house!" like it's a status symbol for your kids to be afraid of you. I grew up getting hit for reason, my mother was lazy and sadistic. I despise her now and we are NC after trying to be close for years.

I've never left DD alone with MIL once she hit 2 because I know what she's like. She can be lovely, but also ghetto (I come from a working class background I mean nothing by it) impatient and petty. I noticed the more DD developed a personality, MIL chastised her more. Last year I heard MIL say "stop that or I'll spank you". I was in the loo, DH was on a conference call. I came back and politely told her we don't ever do that, and even if we did, we's never extend it beyond our own discretion. She rolled her eyes and I really put my foot down and said nearly verbatim (obviously I can't recount word for word) "If you ever touch my child I won't have you around again because there'd be no trust and she isn't even naughty, you're just impatient and I'm sorry, but a little ghetto". I said the ghetto bit in a sort of jokey / serious tone that I can honestly say she didn't take offence to. We are from the same background and she knows what I mean.

On Friday MIL was with us in the living room being perfectly sweet, DD wanted an ice cream from the van outside. We all said no (no treats due to an earlier transgression). MIL was telling her no and to sit down and stop looking out the window like a puppy. DD turned around and said "I don't care" in tears and MIL got up, pulled up her skirt and gave her a huge smack on her bum. I thought she was getting up to take her from the window bay and appease her but she hit her! It happened in literally 3 seconds! I was up and grabbing my child and doing the obvious "how dare you's" but didn't want more of a scene as DD was clearly distressed (she's never been hit, or threatened to be hit). DH was trying to calm everything down after hearing the commotion and I went upstairs to calm DD down. MIL is downstairs saying I'm too soft when our DD is an ordinary child behaviour wise. What 4 year old doesn't have the odd cheeky come back? What 4 year old doesn't have the odd tantrum? I come downstairs and and grab her bag and jacket off the bannister and ask her nicely to leave so we can sort this out. DH is upset but thinks it's just a spank and he got loads when he was a kid and he turned out alright. We agreed together no spanking but somehow because it's his mother he feels like I'm being a bitch! Like she should get a pass! He conceded she will probably do it again if she see's fit so I said NC with DC!! No point having family around your kids and having to walk on eggshells because they have a fucked up flaw. He's saying NC with DC is ridiculous, she's not a pedophile etc......That's his mother etc....

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kerrymumbles · 09/04/2017 20:32

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Wishiwasmoiradingle2017 · 09/04/2017 20:32

Remind your dh who he is married to. . If he doesn't support you he is welcome to go live with the kiddie basher imo. .

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NewView · 09/04/2017 20:33

I would say in no uncertain terms that it is not her job to discipline your child and should she ever do so again she can be sure she won't ever see her. I had to do this with my none 'ghetto' Dad so I don't think it's particularly a class issue.
And obviously I wouldn't let her have DD on her own.

Sammysilver · 09/04/2017 20:33

I come from a Caribbean background where my siblings and I were all smacked. I can honestly say that it did me no harm but at the same time, I made a decision that I wouldn't use physical punishment against my children. My mother, who has cared for my kids on numerous occasions, has always respected that and has never smacked them. So I understand why you are furious. However, I think that no contact would be a disproportionate response. I would ensure that your DD is never left unsupervised in her grandmother's care until you get reassurances from your MIL that it won't be repeated. I must agree with a PP, though, that back chatting a grandmother, in my view, goes beyond normal cheeky behaviour.

FixItUpChappie · 09/04/2017 20:34

I would say no babysitting - she can see the child when you are present.

Marylou2 · 09/04/2017 20:35

I would have a face to face sit down meeting with MIL and set out your terms for her future relationship with your family. Put it in writing. Physical punishment of your child is entirely unacceptable to you both and if it were to happen again you will treat it as an assault and the police will be involved. Get her to apologise to DD. Also suggest parenting/anger management classes to her. If she won't engage I would walk away. You child's physical and emotional health are your priority.

netflixandnappies · 09/04/2017 20:35

Awwlookatmybabyspider Sorry, you must have not read the post. The reason she threw the tantrum is because she wasn't allowed the ice cream as punishment for something she had done earlier. I'm not dismissive. I'm just not hitting my DD because she is crying over an ice cream. Early bedtime? Yes. No TV? Yes. No playdate? Yes. Spanking? NO. I was literally about to count to ten before MIL got up and hit her! It's okay for kids to cry - Thats what they do. When she said "I don't care" I was going to count for her to say sorry but MIL took matters into her own hands. DD is a lovely child, but unlike some parents I won;t deny that she had her moments!

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FixItUpChappie · 09/04/2017 20:35

How solid is your marriage OP? If you ever separate your DH will have her over there in a heartbeat.

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/04/2017 20:37

I think a period of NC would be extremely effective. It doesn't have to be forever. It has to be a sufficient period for your mil to understand that she is not in charge. I would also expect an apology for my child before I resumed any kind of contact. She doesn't get to hit or shout at your child. She is struggling to move over, isn't she? And unless you and your dh show a united front, she won't learn to cede.

AcrossthePond55 · 09/04/2017 20:38

I don't care what anyone's parenting philosophy is, you never put a hand on another person's child. Be it a stranger or your own grandchild. You just don't. Even if that person 'spanks', you still don't.

Going NC? IDK right now. Was MiL in an uncontrolled temper so to speak, or did she calmly and deliberately decide to cross the room to spank. If she was in a blind temper, I'd say cut her out, but if it was a 'decision' I might be tempted to give her one last chance, IF you feel you can trust her. Do you think that, now that there's been an actual incident for you to refer to, you told her that if she ever so much as raises her hand, that she will not be permitted to see her DGC again?

SpaghettiMeatballs · 09/04/2017 20:38

I'm open mouthed OP. My DD is 5. I wouldn't need to tell the MIL she wasn't looking after DD again because would refuse to ever go back there again for herself. I would fully support that.

netflixandnappies · 09/04/2017 20:39

Sammysilver I come from a Caribbean background too and "backchatting" as we call it is nearly 90% bullshit and paranoid over aggressive parenting. A 4 year old throwing a tantrum is normal. I didn't like the "I don't care" comment and it was on the tip of my tongue to tell her to apologise immediately and to never speak in such a way as it's rude. She would have listened as we have successfully helped her understand "shut up" and other things she may hear at school etc aren't exactly the F word but still not polite.

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 09/04/2017 20:39

And I also must have missed the part where I said smacking was okay.

netflixandnappies · 09/04/2017 20:39

FixItUpChappie can't get rid of him It's solid.

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highinthesky · 09/04/2017 20:40

The only positive to this is that DD will probably forget it quickly.

Your MIL doesn't respect you, your child, or your parenting technique. You need to hand out some tough love of your own: in her direction.

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/04/2017 20:41

Are you in the uk? You know what she did is illegal if you are as you've expressly told her she isn't allowed to hit your child.

My mother threatened to smack my dd and she was told in no uncertain terms that if she did, she wouldn't be seeing dd again.

netflixandnappies · 09/04/2017 20:41

Awwlookatmybabyspider You called me dismissive so I assumed you didn't read the post where I clearly state we was currently being disciplined because of previous behaviour but saw the van and as most kids do got upset and cried at the window.

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Nocabbageinmyeye · 09/04/2017 20:42

Oh I would go bananas!!!

Nc is not an overreaction as a pp said, if she was very sorry I would say maybe but she's not one bit sorry and she will definitely do it again so I totally agree with going nc. Unless she issued a genuine apology to your dd in front of all of you she could forget contact ever again

highinthesky · 09/04/2017 20:42

PS I also come from a background where slaps were doled out liberally as a child rearing method. Just because everyone else is doing it, it doesn't make it ok.

lazyhazysummer · 09/04/2017 20:42

What does the "ghetto"mean? but i'd go absolutely berserk, how dare she.

netflixandnappies · 09/04/2017 20:42

Mummyoflittledragon Yep, UK. Would never call the police just want NC with DD until she learns some respect which DH says she will never ever have - It's just her culture.

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TheFirstMrsDV · 09/04/2017 20:43

I have never understood the pride that some people take in being battered as children
You see it in FB memes all the time

'Back in the day if I had done this or said that I would have gotten licks'
'Hands up if your mother hit you with this if you back chatted'

The bottom line is that she hit a small child. Not acceptable. Your OH may find it very difficult to admit it was wrong of her. He might have to start examining his own childhood if he does.

StandAndBeCounted · 09/04/2017 20:44

I would go fucking batshit. You've been more than reasonable

TheFirstMrsDV · 09/04/2017 20:45

'its her culture'
No, its her choice and it may have been her upbringing but there will be many people of her background who wouldn't ever lay a hand on a child.

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