'There is no need for feminism in first world countries because females are no longer oppressed...'

[TinyRick]

And apparently we have 'more rights than men now'.

One example of many - www.debate.org/opinions/women-are-not-oppressed-in-first-world-countries

I was going to post this on the Feminism boards but I have heard this from females too so thought I would post here to see views from those who do think this and agree with it.

I'm on a social media site and this comes up quite often. Yes, quite presumably from young males but I have also read about the 'Red Pill' and the 'MGTOW' movements which are mostly populated by the older males.

Aibu to think that Feminism in the first world is still needed and as relevant as ever? And amongst our 'luxuries' we are still the oppressed class?

Think people are just starting to get a bit bored of feminists whinging about high heels at work and the non existent pay gap. While women outside of first world countries have it a million times worse

Why is 'whinging about high heels at work' not considered a good relevant bit of first world feminism to object against due to the dire sexism and gender roles being prrssed on to us on a regular basis? Isn't it a good thing that this is being brought up? Why shouldn't feminists be fighting against that?

Oh and yes, evidence please for the 'non existing wage gap'?

Women are still seen as playthings sometimes

An ex friend of mine is currently going through a prison trial for pornographic pictures of children.

He's a 40+ male and he encouraged girls as young as 13 to do things on camera at his home.

Most people have turned their back on him. Some haven't. Their reason being is because the girls did it willingly and they are teenagers so it's fine.

His poor ex girlfriend is going through some horrific abuse at the moment from his sympathisers. They believe she gave him up and according to them she should have kept her mouth shut as he was just having a bit of fun and no one was really hurt.

Disgusting attitude

*witsender

Hahahaha!

What a joke*

What's the joke?

Urgh bold fail

That's horrendous, Soubriquet The poor woman :(

I'll believe we have equal rights when DV shelters and Rape Crisis close because nobody needs to use them any more.
Whereas under the current system they are closing for lack of funding.

''Domestic violence refuge provision at crisis point''
www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/03/domestic-violence-refuge-crisis-women-closure-safe-houses

Non-existent pay gape... Maybe, instead of women demanded to be paid the same as men, we should demand that men are paid the same as women and see how non-existent it is then.

*women demanding.

This picture (plus others similar) are always posted as a way to show that women have it better now.

Exactly sail
I would love to see 6 weeks mandatory paternity leave enforced on men too. And for them to get sent home for not shaving their face because beards are dirty.

rick that industrial accidents think particularly irks me. Prostitution is a job like any other, except when it comes to recording being killed at work, then it doesn't count

I have a problem with "homocide" deaths and "winner of custody".

Not sure what the first means.

Women don't "win" at custody. Women just get more work, more responsibility and more costs than men who don't get custody.
Also, how many non abusive men don't get 50-50 at least if they want it?

MRAs are quite terrifyingl in their misogyny. To think they may have wives/ daughters...and they all had mothers! Do they foam at the mouth to the same degree re black people having equal rights, or is it just less acceptable to voice such resentment towards other races so directly?

To say that women in the first world should suck it up because there are women who have it worse in other countries is laughable if it wasn't so crazed. While one in 4 women experiences sexual assault in her lifetime and while 2 women die a week at the hands of their male partners, how can anyone of sound mind say that feminism isn't needed??

I really thought that in the 21st century that men would be supporting women's rights. But I was really naive not to factor in the rage of those who feel they are losing their god-given privilege and superiority

As a young woman, fresh out of university I would have agreed that basically all the battles had been fought and won. Twenty years on, I have two young DDs and I fear for their future.

MN has been a huge eye-opener for me, reading relationship threads where some women have such low expectations of their partners. That's before you even look at the threads which involve DV and abuse.

I have also learned a lot from following rape cases such as the Ched Evans one. Reading the comments. So many people, make and female, genuinely believe that men are superior to women.

Feminism is very much still needed.

MRAs generally are as racist as they are sexist; racism is a large part of their ideology.

Quentin Prostitution, for many, is seen as that the women are there because they want to be and enjoy it so it's a choice rolls eyes

Lweji I have actually read about those 'statistics' for custody. It's based on the very minute percentage of cases that go to court. The vast majority of custody is done outside of court and it's what is agreed on between the parents. Most men don't want full time custody.

you wouldnt get the same people saying this about the black rights movement or the LGBT movement, or anything else really would you? because it would be ridiculous and everyone would plainly see that. But somehow when its about women, they should just shut up now. And this has happened every step of the way if you look into it. Every right that women have gained has been greeted with 'thats enough now, its come too far, youve got what you wanted now just shut up'

Yes things are much worse for women around the world. Just as things generally can be much worse for people round the world. But in other instances people can accept that we should still try and do something about problems here. I mean if i talk about social housing or welfare for the disabled, its not usually met with 'well people around the world have it worse so i think you should focus only on them'

And quite often its educated people who ive respected saying these things about feminism and how pointless it is in this country.
Those people saying that proves to me if anything, how its still incredibly important here. If things really were okay you would have no one saying this everytime a woman questioned something.

If we took that attitude, we would not try and improve anything in Britain.
e.g.
why have Food banks, people in poor countries are literally starving to death?
why tackle crime, at least we are not being bombed like in Syria?
why tackle homelessness? You know in some countries it is common to see whole families with babies living on the streets?

It is a ridiculous argument. So what if things are worse elsewhere. It does not mean that we give up working to make things better in this country. And yes feminism is needed.

mrsKcastle i really agree that its easier to ignore or misunderstand as a younger woman. I didnt feel oppressed in any way, i felt like i could do anything when i was younger. I felt like i was just a man who happened to be in the body of a women if you get what i mean. I didnt see the relevance.

As i got older lots of things happened to me specifically because of my female body and it started to dawn on me. Violence, Rape, people shouting at me on the street, people talking down to me, etc etc
Then i got pregnant..........
And I was on a zero hours contract and lost all my hours because of my morning sickness and there wasnt a thing i could do about it. The laws barely protect you. It felt like my body wasnt my own. The way people speak to you

and many many other things

Most men don't want full time custody.

I know. Even the cases that go to court, I suspect it's just a power struggle, not real interest.

Excellent posts lazytuesday and brasty Thank you.

Sorry, the what a joke was aimed at the concept of feminism being unnecessary. I have so many thoughts on the subject but no time to write them, so just wanted to vent my disgust.

and dont even get me started on housework and childcare. Which you are supposed to do to a reasonable standard completely for free and uncomplaining. No one notices that you do it but theyd notice if you didnt do it. Its just an expectation.
Lots of families work hard to make it more equal of course but if you look at the actual statistics of how much housework men and women do even when both are working the same hours, its something like 70% which is done by women. Similar statistics for childcare.
Theres still these ingrained ideas about duty and responsibility.
When women see their kids every weekend most people would think 'why did they get their kids taken, or how could they just walk away from the full time care of their children like that??'
Whereas a man seeing his kids regularly every weekend is generally though of as a good dad in a break up.
In my opinion that is why women get custody more often than men in court. Its not skewed towards women its that society cant take the burden of responsibility and duty away from women. Its not a bloody gift like these mens rights activists say it is, its part of our oppression.

Ipiggle, come to Ireland where abortion is illegal and you mightn't be so fucking smug. Whining about high heels indeed.

Can somebody remind me how many women are killed by their partners every week...........?