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'There is no need for feminism in first world countries because females are no longer oppressed...'

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TinyRick · 07/04/2017 11:52

And apparently we have 'more rights than men now'.

One example of many - www.debate.org/opinions/women-are-not-oppressed-in-first-world-countries

I was going to post this on the Feminism boards but I have heard this from females too so thought I would post here to see views from those who do think this and agree with it.

I'm on a social media site and this comes up quite often. Yes, quite presumably from young males but I have also read about the 'Red Pill' and the 'MGTOW' movements which are mostly populated by the older males.

Aibu to think that Feminism in the first world is still needed and as relevant as ever? And amongst our 'luxuries' we are still the oppressed class?

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Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 23/01/2018 14:48

Can't even rebute deletes post

Thats funny...

DeleteOrDecay · 23/01/2018 15:09

Insult my intelligence all you like theDailyShow. It says more about you and your inability to argue against the points I made than me.

SumThucker · 23/01/2018 15:18

Absolutely Delete.

Apollo440 · 23/01/2018 16:43

Of course women are no longer oppressed since men have shared the secret of the magic coffee table.

Firesuit · 23/01/2018 18:17

I don't know if I'm unreasonable to be irked by this, but I dislike everything that's wrong with women's lives being lumped together as one problem, the oppression of women, or something. As though rape and your husband leaving his clothes on the floor were part of the same thing. I think there should be a rule: if two problems don't have the same solution, they are not the same problem. (If two problems both have no solution, that does not mean they are the same problem. "No solution" does not count as a solution when it comes to grouping problems!)

In fairness, rape and husbands leaving clothes on the floor would both be solved by eliminating men entirely. So depending on what you regard as acceptable solutions, I suppose they can be regarded as the same problem, even by my definition.

AngelsSins · 23/01/2018 18:38

Rape/Rape culture
Violent misogynistic porn on the rise
Pay gap
Domestic violence
FGM
Women being overly sexualised
Lack of representation in parliament, as well as in top jobs
Women being expected to dress/present themselves in specific ways in many jobs
Girls missing school because they can't afford sanpro
Under representation on TV, especially for WoC and women over 35
Forced marriage
Trafficking
Poverty
Child maintenance
Abortion rights being attack/not existent in some places

All things heavily weighted against women in this first world that no longer needs feminism....

UpstartCrow · 23/01/2018 18:44

When men see giving blow jobs to strangers for money as a job for the boys then we'll have 'equality'.

I'm not planning on quitting feminism any time soon.

corythatwas · 23/01/2018 19:03

When I started work women were often earning half what men were and I know it still isn't equal but it is alot better and I think some of the gap must be down to some women choosing to take a career break when they have children

If this were the entire reason, it would be difficult to see why so many of my childless female colleagues stay in junior jobs, compared to male colleagues.

I think it's often more insidious than this. Career progression often depends on having proved yourself, and to prove yourself you need to be given the right tasks to start with. Yes, you can ask, but ultimately, it is the decision of somebody else.

As far as I can see, it is still far more common for young women to be assigned "coffee-making" tasks and pastoral support jobs which may take an enormous amount of time but don't actually count much towards your next upgrade. Young male academics (this being my field) are often thought of as forward-thinking and up-and-coming, so given jobs designed to let them prove themselves.

It has also been shown repeatedly that student ratings depend on whether they believe that a lecture or a module has been written by a male or female member of staff- yet our wages depend to a great extent on student ratings.

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