AIBU to think Theresa May should put a restraining order on Nicola Sturgeon?

[Stanleysmum01]

Ok this is meant to be a lighthearted from the start in no way am I belittling what is happening, but if I was Theresa May I would be getting pissed off with her bothering me every five minutes, meetings, letters etc. Yes we are all aware that when Scotland voted they did not know we were going to be voting out of the EU and yes they probably should have another vote on it when and I mean when the details have been finalised so you can make an informed decision, yes thats sensible. But she's like a dog with a bone, going on and on and on. Theresa May like her or loathe her has a very difficult job to do, nobody else has really put their head above the parapet to sort it and she needs time to get on with it. So sorry Nicola stop going all Braveheart on her ass and do one ffs you're not helping or is that the intention. If so here's a restraining order.

[BigChocFrenzy]

As for an SNP meltdown ... which party would take their votes instead ?

Even though Engkand has taken a hard Tory right turn - maybe especially because of that - I can't see Scotland turning Tory

The idea of Labour regaining significant numbers of seats in Scotland - or anywhere else - seems ludicrous
They are in meltdown, a total irrelevance, a vacuum where there should be an Official Opposition.

Barring miracles, Labour will be humiliated in the next GE and out of power for many years, probably until 2030.
They are a dead parrot. Defunct.

[Madwoman5]

Um, alex and nicola knew that if the tories got back in the following May, Dave would have an EU ref. It was already on the agenda and was just about ready to roll when the first scotref happened. Someone, somewhere (no names) arrogantly assumed that either Dave would not win or scotref result would be different. So if Terri said yeah, knock yourself out, go for it before we finalise terms and she manages to get good terms, are they going to vote to join the uk again? Nicola wants to waggle her spear, wait to see what deal Terri gets then go inde if she doesn't like it. But....it will be a non EU inde by then. What is the position if you were part of a country that has left and then want to join? Scotland can't afford it without money from uk gov. And EU have said they can't use current membership. I just think it is Nicola having a pissing contest with Terri knowing that london will reject it and then she can play the snubbed hero. My view? I rarely agree with Mayfly but this time I do. Let her get on with the big job ffs.

[howabout]

Bigchoc the SNP only have so many seats because of FPTP. Labour had almost all the Westminster seats up until 2015. A lot of Tories and Lib/Dems voted SNP to seize the chance to give Labour a bloody nose. Even then the SNP won seats because the opposition to them splits along traditional non Nationalist lines.

FWIW the Tories currently poll about 25% of the vote and the Scottish Parliament has PR. Now they are the Official Opposition they look much more electable and get much more profile. A lot of Scots are uneasy about the One Party State especially given the lack of openly dissenting backbench views in the SNP. I know Labour supporters who would vote Tory for that reason.

[Madwoman5]

The uk voted out. All hell breaks loose because it was close. But smps vote indyref2 and the votes were almost exactly the same as eu vote. Ironic?

[misskelly]

The one thing that really baffles me when I read anything about Scottish politics on here is the love that's shown for Ruth Davidson. I'm no great fan of the SNP but Nicola Sturgeon is pretty much on the ball and very articulate. Ruth Davidson mostly keeps it together but every now and then she turns in to an utter buffoon.

[VeryButchyRestingFace]

I'm not remotely surprised you haven't come across anyone who is willing to disclose that they voted for Brexit

I didn't say I hadn't met anyone in Scotland who admits to voting Leave. I said I hadn't met any Scots.

I have met non Scots in Scotland who voted Leave. Thinking of a Tory voting colleague in particular who flat out tells people without hesitation or prompting.

She's still here, unscathed, and still sharing.

[ohtheshameshameshame]

Yabu and demonstrating exactly the attitude that makes me want to live in an independent Scotland

[skerrywind]

I don't think Scotland has the appetite for Indyref 2 atm, and Sturgeon knows that too.

But she is playing a longer game. She knows that in 18 months time when the UK is about to go over the cliff edge the people of Scotland will be very happy to jump into the Scottish lifeboat.

If Indy ref 2 were called tomorrow then it would fail, in 2 years time it will be a resounding yes, leaving England with the sorry mess they have created.

[bathshebaneverdene]

The EU referendum result in Scotland is totally worthless due to NS's conflation of the result with another independence referendum.

Note how Scottish govt have stopped referring to the request for another referendum as 'the will of the Scottish people' and now refer to it as the 'will of the Scottish govt.' Endless polls show that there is not an overwhelming desire for another divisive referendum. To ask for a referendum 2 years before you have any intention of holding one means we will have 2 years of the SNP not governing Scotland for ALL the people who live in Scotland, but 2 years of the SNP banging on about Westmonster, Brexit, Independence yada, yada, yada, while our schools and hospitals are sliding into the abyss.

In the last election voter turnout was about 2.28M. Votes for SNP were 1.06M, so less than half of the voters actually voted for the SNP (that isn't a mandate for anything), and with a total Scottish electorate of 4.1M, to say they have a mandate with the votes of 25% of the electorate is terrifying.

[LouKout]

Thats quite similar to brexit though.

And i am not SnP voter

[bathshebaneverdene]

BigChocFrenzy, I think that there will be a Tory resurgence in Scotland as the people who don't want another referendum look at consolidating. And I will put that Tory resurgence directly at NS's feet.

[skerrywind]

I think that there will be a Tory resurgence in Scotland

That's so funny.

[VeryButchyRestingFace]

I think that there will be a Tory resurgence in Scotland

That's so funny.

It's so cute when people post on MN after smoking crack.

[bathshebaneverdene]

Skerry, no, not funny. While the SNP appear, from the outside, to have the country sewn up, the reality is very different. There was a large swing to the Conservative party in the last election. Despite NS and the SNP positioning themselves as the voice of 'The people of Scotland' , they don't speak for the majority of us and with labour going into a tailspin, voters are looking for an alternative to the SNP.

[Didyoumeantobesorude1]

Yabu. I'd prefer NS to put a restraining order on TM.

[dementedma]

I live in Scotland and know only 2 people - a couple - who admit to voting for Brexit.
I also know many who don't want another referendum and who despise the SNP and their obsession with this.

[LouKout]

I really find it surprising that many many people voted for SNP and then are surprised when they are pushing hard for independence though.

[bathshebaneverdene]

Even more people didn't vote for the SNP. And while we're not surprised they are pushing for independence (their raison d'etre), we are certainly pissed off about it.

I'd have far more truck with them if they'd get on and show how great Scotland could be as an independent country - there's certainly nothing stopping them getting on with generating business etc, but all they do is bleat about Westminster constraints.

[LuluJakey1]

We have an acquaintance who is an MP. He campaigned for remain in Scotland in the referendum and says the camapigners were treated disgustingly. In 30 years of campaigning all over England and Wales- (and by campaigning I mean knocking on doors in the run up to elections to introduce himself and hand out a leaflet, chatting to people in the streets), he says he has never been treated as aggressively, rudely and disgustingly as he was by the Scots. He had men and women spit at him, verbally abuse him, he had stones thrown at him by a group of students. He isn't a political ranter, he is a kind, humane man who believes in social justice for everyone and he said he will never go back to Scotland.
Scotland is supported financially by England and the EU. NS is terrified of losing the EU money and of the government (who I loathe) withdrawing funding from Scotland in a range of ways. Scotland can not sustain itself financially and in terms of infrastructure without support- it hasn't the resources or the skills. A referendum is a bargaining tool for NS to get what she wants in terms of deals. If she ends up with independence she will bring Scotland to financial and social ruin by increasing taxes hugely, being unable to afford to sustain high quality social care, health and education and with enormous increases in unemployment.
I am for letting them get on with it. They have sold off massive chunks of Scotland to foreign millionaires and English aristrocrats own much of the rest. NS is kidding herself and lying to the people.

[LouKout]

So therefore all Scots must go around spitting on people and abusing people?

[LouKout]

And i dont think you could be any more patronising about Scotland not having skills.

[VeryButchyRestingFace]

He isn't a political ranter, he is a kind, humane man who believes in social justice for everyone and he said he will never go back to Scotland

Is your friend Scottish? Was he living in Scotland at the time of campaigning?

[LouKout]

And you are all for letting them..as you believe.."bring Scotland to financial and social ruin"". Nice

[QIsForCube]

Not RTFT yet but I would just like to say YES! to the title!

Also there is nothing funny about a conservative resurgence in Scotland, they more than doubled their number of seats in the Scottish Parliament in the last election and came second in a large number of constituencies taken by the SNP. If they consolidated the unionist support around them, they could easily gain many more constituencies. Theresa May and Ruth Davidson are now more popular in Scotland that Nicola Sturgeon, according to satisfaction polls being carried out.

The SNP seem to incapable of referring to the party as 'conservatives' though. Every time I hear them mention them it's always 'tory'. We've actually started a bingo in our house 'hard Tory brexit', 'democratic right', 'will of the Scottish people (now changed to parliament)' are some of the most frequent!

[LouKout]

No there is nothing funny about it. Its grim.