AIBU to think Theresa May should put a restraining order on Nicola Sturgeon?

[Stanleysmum01]

Ok this is meant to be a lighthearted from the start in no way am I belittling what is happening, but if I was Theresa May I would be getting pissed off with her bothering me every five minutes, meetings, letters etc. Yes we are all aware that when Scotland voted they did not know we were going to be voting out of the EU and yes they probably should have another vote on it when and I mean when the details have been finalised so you can make an informed decision, yes thats sensible. But she's like a dog with a bone, going on and on and on. Theresa May like her or loathe her has a very difficult job to do, nobody else has really put their head above the parapet to sort it and she needs time to get on with it. So sorry Nicola stop going all Braveheart on her ass and do one ffs you're not helping or is that the intention. If so here's a restraining order.

[BackforGood]

It seems to me that Nicola Sturgeon is the one who struggles with the idea of democracy. There was a 'once in a generation' referendum. Yes, the vote was close, but the voting public of Scotland made their decision, in the same way the people of the UK made their decision in the referendum last year.
Not liking the result does not mean you can then spend many millions more just asking the same question again.

[LouKout]

Shes not asking to hold it now though

[thatorchidmoment]

Our glorious First Minister is prioritising her pipe-dream of Scottish independence over genuine stuff that matters to real people every day. Like healthcare, education and infrastructure. Services and schools are being neglected, resources are being cut, spending is down last I saw, and all so Sturgeon can blame Scottish woes on 'Westminster'.

Try running a country with efficiency to improve people's lives. Show a spirit of independence instead of whining about being treated badly. Scotland has a measure of fiscal independence. Do the stuff you are in charge of PROPERLY, and it might actually improve your case.

Then don't lie about things like revenue from oil. People are not stupid. Just as well indyref1 was a damp squib. If Scotland was really fending for itself now, things would be utterly grim.

I was a quiet No voter. And a happy Brexit voter. An independent Scotland being expected to contribute vast sums for EU membership would be a total disaster. We would also need a hard border if Scotland accepted free movement, which would be terrible.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Not liking the result does not mean you can then spend many millions more just asking the same question again

Even if it was specifically in your manifesto which people then voted for?

[vitalite]

It'sallgoinggtobefine - maybe some daft voters actually believed NS in the run up to 2016 holyrood when she said she wouldn't pursue another referendum unless there was clear public support for it, and there isn't.

[LagunaBubbles]

not liking the result does not mean you an then spend many millions more just asking the same question again

Well

[LagunaBubbles]

Well yes they can - they've been voted in to Government, it's not as if people don't know what they want.

[LagunaBubbles]

Depends who you talk to Vitalite though doesn't it? Most people I know will vote yes, just like Im sure most people you know would vote no.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

maybe some daft voters actually believed NS in the run up to 2016 holyrood when she said she wouldn't pursue another referendum unless there was clear public support for it, and there isn't

The only way to measure individual support is via a referendum. But overall there is a majority of independence supporting MSPs in the Scottish Parliament who were voted for by the public. How can you democratically ignore this.

You might not agree with another referendum.
You might despise Sturgeon.

But you can't just stop the democratic process because you don't agree with what is democratically decided.

[howabout]

vitalite I am that daft specimen Plus Kezia and Willie put me in a very difficult position cos they both wanted to increase the basic rate of tax at the same time as GO was cutting TCs and I couldn't get on board with that. Turns out the Greens are just SNP whatever you say.

Rock hard place makes a bit of a farce of manifestos tbf.

[Jazzywazzydodah]

A referendum every year

It would be like a constant tug of war.

[roses2]

Haven't Scotland been told by the EU they will have to join the back of the queue and apply to become EU members if they become independent from England? They won't automatically stay in the EU.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/13/independent-scotland-would-have-to-apply-to-join-eu-commission-says

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Haven't Scotland been told by the EU they will have to join the back of the queue and apply to become EU members if they become independent from England? They won't automatically stay in the EU.

Not quite. It is likely they would have to leave and then rejoin. But there is no queue. Once a country meets the requirements it can enter. As Scotland is already in the EU it currently meets the requirements. It should not be difficult to re-enter.

[vitalite]

If NS thought there was enough public support for one she'd have it tomorrow! She doesn't give a hoot what the terms of brexit are/will be. Even if TM managed to come away with a deal that leaves us in the EU market and allows free movement NS would whinge and use it to her advantage.

Democracy has already been exercised! We voted no and I don't know anybody who has the appetite for another one. All this uncertainty is stopping businesses investing in Scotland.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Sorry Roses I should have read your link first as it's all in there

[SharkInThePark]

I agree completely with what Orchid wrote. NS needs to get back to running the country properly (if she ever did!) and stop chasing independence. She's already broken the "once in a generation/lifetime" promise and requested a referendum again so quickly. She's been told it will come eventually post Brexit negotiations leave it at that and stop being a thorn in TMs side. She's probably for enough to to right now trying to negotiate a decent divorce deal from the EU for the uk as a whole.

I am Scottish and I am truely embarrassed by NS and all the majority of snp members. I feel they are the ones being undemocratic. Scotland voted to stay with the uk. The uk as a WHOLE (which Scotland voted to be part of) voted to leave the Eu. Seems logical to me. Leave it be. I don't believe we "deserve" a new referendum. I think NS pushing for it is tearing our country apart and shifting focus off the real issues.

For info I was very undecided Re the independence ref for a while but ultimately I like being British as much as Scottish. I voted no. Quietly the no voters weren't shouting too loudly in my area at least! For the EU ref I voted to leave no long decision needed. For me it was about regaining our status as the uk. I don't feel the eu adds much and indeed creates layers of issues we don't need. I've heard it said how can you wish to be governed by Westminster when you didn't want to be by Brussels. For me it's completely poles apart. I'm governed by MY country's govt (ie the uk) in Westminster. Brussels is too far removed.

Also for the record I voted snp a couple of times in the Scottish govt elections. Not because I wanted an independence referendum but because o felt they were the best party for the Scottish govt at that time in terms of Policies etc. After the last referendum and being throrouhly embarrassed by the way the snp and certain of their supporters carried on I vowed I'd never voted for them again. I voted conservative. I knew there wasn't a hope in hell they'd come out on too so maybe a protest or wasted vote. I really think Ruth Davidson is a massive asset to them though.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Democracy has already been exercised!

So you feel that democracy should be dispensed with now?

[RJnomore1]

you can't just stop the democratic process because you don't agree with what is democratically decided

Is that fucking sarcasm there?

[vitalite]

And Spain have made it VERY clear that they will not support scotlands entry to the EU as an independent country. NS tried and failed to gain assurances from Brussels that Scotland would be assured entry to the EU if independence was won. She can't promise us that and that is a deal breaker for lots of scots.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Is that fucking sarcasm there?

Eh? No. It's the truth.

[RJnomore1]

Unless you are the snp then, in which case you can ignore the expressed democratic will of the majority of Scotland because it doesn't suit you?

[SharkInThePark]

Ask agree NS is being opportunistic. She's not really bothered by the brexit issue it's an excuse for pushing her own agenda. And no there is no guarantee Scotland would be allowed to join the eu of it became independent. Just because it's part of EU as part of the uk doesn't mean Scotland independently will meet the criteria to join.

[dementedma]

Scotland - the country -is NOT already part of the EU. The UK i.e. the union of countries is part of the EU. The union is part of the EU, not the component parts.

[vitalite]

Not at all, I'm a huuuuge fan of democracy. Which is why I don't whinge about trump being the president, the tories being in Westminster or the UK leaving the EU. However, referendum are not elections, you don't just keep asking the same question till you get the right answer like a toddler throwing a tantrum.

[Purplefrogshoes]

Nicola Sturgeon should get on with her job of running the country. We voted as the UK to leave Europe she should be helping TM not fighting for independence yet again. How can they justify the cost of another vote?