AIBU to think Theresa May should put a restraining order on Nicola Sturgeon?

[Stanleysmum01]

Ok this is meant to be a lighthearted from the start in no way am I belittling what is happening, but if I was Theresa May I would be getting pissed off with her bothering me every five minutes, meetings, letters etc. Yes we are all aware that when Scotland voted they did not know we were going to be voting out of the EU and yes they probably should have another vote on it when and I mean when the details have been finalised so you can make an informed decision, yes thats sensible. But she's like a dog with a bone, going on and on and on. Theresa May like her or loathe her has a very difficult job to do, nobody else has really put their head above the parapet to sort it and she needs time to get on with it. So sorry Nicola stop going all Braveheart on her ass and do one ffs you're not helping or is that the intention. If so here's a restraining order.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Unless you are the snp then, in which case you can ignore the expressed democratic will of the majority of Scotland because it doesn't suit you?

I don't understand The latest event where the democratic will of the Scottish people was expressed was the Scottish Elections last year, where the SNP were voted into power with a second referendum in the event of Brexit specified in their manifesto.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Scotland - the country -is NOT already part of the EU

Apologies. That was shorthand on my part. The Scotland as part of the UK meets requirements eg EU law is already embedded in Scottish law.

[vitalite]

Yes, but there was also supposed to be clear public support for one, which there is not. All the recent polls show support is declining, not increasing.

[RJnomore1]

The snp were voted into power to run the country.

The result of the independence referendum was to stay in the U.K.

A referendum and an election are two different processes.

People trusted the "once in a generation" statement. Though I see fat eck istrying to rewrite that now.

i don't understand

Yep I can see that too.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Yes, but there was also supposed to be clear public support for one, which there is not

There is a majority of indy supporting MSPs voted for by the public. There is no other way of accurately measuring support, apart from a referendum.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

A referendum and an election are two different processes

Indeed. The referendum came first. Then came the election in which the people voted, amongst other things, for a second referendum.

I understand totally that you don't want a second referendum, and don't like the SNP, or Sturgeon, but everything happening right now is happened democratically.

Should the Scottish government ignore "the will of the people" and not have a second referendum?

[BarbarianMum]

Nicola Sturgeon was elected by the people of Scotland. When they tire of her, then they - and only they - get to chose a new leader and political direction.

[NoLotteryWinYet]

The SNP is not Scotland, they don't represent all of us, they lost indyref1. The economic case is far, far weaker now. The cracks in the SNP's ability to govern are showing. The Scottish parliament debate showed Davison, Rennie, Dugdale and Neil Findlay to be excellent politicians, the SNP regularly ignores its own chamber. The U.K. as a whole would benefit from that talent and please encourage pro union Scottish folks. SNP are a single issue party, they're not Scotland but we shouldn't need at them we should out-argue them.

[brickinitIam]

I agree OP.
Nicola Sturgeon is an
Annoying Little SHITE!

[BeezerBubble]

The sole reason the SNP exist is independence, Sturgeon has to put that at the top of her agenda. Scotland is skint, the NE is suffering unemployment, house price stagnation and under investment thanks to the oil crash and not one thing is being done. This mandate for indyref2 was in the small print of their manifesto, no-one thought for a second this once in a generation referendum would come around again in a few years.
Pure opportunism and the real reason she's so keen on staying in the EU is she needs a safety net for when things go tits up and can pass around the begging bowl for handouts that in the past came from Westminster.

[NoLotteryWinYet]

Sorry shouldn't jeer at them!

[RJnomore1]

Sturgeon knows the Scottish public economy is under huge pressure due to the unsustainable approval seeking policies and if she doesn't get another ref in fast the whole thing will collapse around her.

I bet she can't believe her luck to have anything to hang a request on , no one thought there would be a yes for brexit.

At the very point when Scotland needs calm and steady leadership to reach a point where it is possible to have some sort of grasp of implications which may or may not lead at some point in the future to the consideration of another referendum she is off pushing her own agenda and trying to bury multiple issues in a round of self publicity.

She's a wee gobshite and she's got a sin to answer for.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

NoLotteryWinYet

Putting whether or not independence is a good thing aside, the Scottish government was voted for in free and fair elections. In those elections the SNP got a sizeable majority of MPs. Now that they are in government they are doing what they are.elected to do.

In the next election people are perfectly free to vote them back out.

[NoLotteryWinYet]

Did I say they weren't? I merely said that there is as yet no majority for independence - true statement!

[NoLotteryWinYet]

Therefore you cannot argue that a majority of the Scottish people backs NS's campaign for indyref2. You can argue that the SNP, with green support, can muscle a vote in a parliament they regularly ignore.

[howabout]

The SNP do not have a majority in the Scottish Parliament, which is why they need the Greens.

[Carolinesbeanies]

"As Scotland is already in the EU it currently meets the requirements. It should not be difficult to re-enter."

Scotland isnt an independant member now, its a member under the auspices and terms of the United Kingdom. NS should be demanding to know what the terms of an independant Scotlands EU membership will be, to tell the scottish people, before a vote is demanded. Brussels says, UK special terms cant be transferred to an Independant Scootland, it has to be a new application and theyd also demand the Euro. Dont tell me NS will be asking for a referendum with no answer to who, how, how much, UK borders, trade deals, EU in/out, currency and any other number of rather significant questions?

Havent got a clue as to why shes waiting to see what the brexit deal looks like, it has no bearing whatsoever on her agenda. Its Independance and EU remain isnt it? Whats that got to do with the deal the UK strikes?

But yes OP, YANBU, shes really riding a wave of utterly irrelevant publicity at the moment. Fine for the media to fill the scottish media, to whom this all applies, but why is the rest of the UK being subjected to her on a daily basis? Brussels sent her packing, we should too. Come back when the SG officially request a second referendum.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Havent got a clue as to why shes waiting to see what the brexit deal looks like, it has no bearing whatsoever on her agenda. Its Independance and EU remain isnt it? Whats that got to do with the deal the UK strikes?

It means that people have more idea of what they are voting for.

[Carolinesbeanies]

Genuine apols there...Ive just read that back, and I promise I didnt type 'scootland'. Im mortified! Please accept the typo error, huge apols!!!!!!

[Expellibramus]

This is a genuine question and I'll sound naive but - for the first indyref - if Scotland had voted out then wouldn't that have resulted in them leaving the EU as a result?

Why the second referendum then, is it because Scotland will now be out anyway and want the option to try to negotiate their way back in? I know it's not all about the EU, but that's what's changed in between the first and the proposed 2nd ref?

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

I know it's not all about the EU, but that's what's changed in between the first and the proposed 2nd ref?

The UK that the Scots voted to remain in will look very different post Brexit. Then and now it is likely that Scotland could re-enter the EU without much difficulty.

Plus of course one of the main planks of the Better Together campaign was that people should vote to remain in the UK, to remain in the EU.

[howabout]

Ah but according to NS people only voted No last time because that saved the risk of them inadvertantly finding themselves outside the EU. Now we are leaving anyway her reasoning is all bets are off and Scotland should get to choose between UK and a shot at rejoining EU (although she and the SNP are not bothered either way on that).

[ToffeeForEveryone]

It's such a nice idea.

[howabout]

Glasgow 6 Music festival on BBC2 right now playing Jump to the Beat of the Party Line - apt or what.

[howabout]

Ah but otoh the central plank of the Scottish EU ref campaign was vote Remain to avoid breaking up the UK itsallgoing