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To think this is unkind? (Friend and baby related)

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Theoffwhite · 31/03/2017 18:52

I am friends with a group of three girls and we've known each other since college (A,B and C.) At the same age we all hit a stage we wanted to have kids (we didn't plan to try together, but we were all the same age and married.) We all found it quite difficult to conceive (all late thirties/40s)

Friend A tried for a while but was told she could not have children and so after a year of applying she adopted the loveliest little girl who is the same age as my dd. (She adopted her when she was 1yo.)

Friend B tried IVF for a short time but she felt it messed up her body and her hormones and decided she did not want to have children at all if It involved putting things into her body that would harm it. As part of this she also qualified to become a naturopath.

Friend C went ahead with IVF and eventually used a donor egg and had a baby, also a similar age to my dd and friend A's dd.

I eventually got pregnant naturally, had a dd and went on to have a ds too.

So there are three dds all a similar age, my ds who is a baby, and the four of us friends.

Now to the problem -

I feel that they have all ganged up on me about my ability as a parent, and imply that i do not deserve to have DCs.

I BF'd DD until she was 1 and am still BF-ing DS. I then swapped to formula for DD. All three of my friends have said I am not doing best by my DD by giving her aptamil instead of organic formula milk. Friend B, the naturopath, sets the tone of what is "best" and the others follow. And because I have not always followed her advice, I am looked down upon.

I also do not give my DC exclusively organic food, and again my three friends, the naturopath and those with the dds, eat all organic and have told me that I am lazy for not providing it for my DC.

When I weaned DD, I used a lot of Ella's kitchen pouches, which only led them to tell me that they thought I was being lazy (as they bought the organic veg, processed it themselves, potted it up etc.)

Friend A whose adopted daughter is almost exactly the same age as DD is extremely competitive about their progress and their behaviour and their clothes. She is constantly comparing our two dds and making jokes about how my DD had a head start (by not being adopted?!) and how she should be cleverer/more settled/more well behaved/more attached to parents than her DD but that her DD is running rings around my DD.

It's all made out to be a joke, but I don't really find it much of a joke. Friends B and C agree with her and they joke about how I find shortcuts in motherhood or let my Dc Watch too much TV or let them stay up too late and that I am an inappropriate person to have DC or somehow I am taking it for granted because it was so easy for me. They all refer to my DC as "poor DD AND DS," the implication that they have been born to someone who is all over the place. Again as a joke. That because I haven't been through the ringer with trying to have children that I am somehow inadequate and not part of the "club."

Friend C has had a full time, live-in nanny from the moment she had her DD, because she works long hours in a full time job. When I take my dc's over to friend C's house to play with her DD, I can tell that she has primed the nanny to find fault/give advice about childcare to me. From the moment I walk in the door, the nanny (an older woman) tuts that my DC are too cold, not wearing enough/ look unhappy / look tired/starving. DS is just starting to be weaned and I didn't realise until I got to her house the other day, but the nanny was under the impression (probably with orders given by friend C) that she had to teach me how to wean DS. I had already weaned DD so knew what to do, DS was already eating fine, and had never implied to any of them that I needed any help.

Friend C also keeps saying "are you STILL breastfeeding?" And rolls her eyes. Friend A also rolls her eyes. As if I am doing it deliberately to upset them. They say "stop putting your breasts in my face." Friend B pipes up "it's useless breastfeeding after a certain point, it becomes just like formula." Which I know ISN't true!

I don't feel competitive, I don't feel like I'm an inadequate mother. I don't show off (i have nothing to show off - DD is constantly tantrumming and they all roll their eyes as if it's my inadequate parenting,) I have never acted smug - i hate smugness in others and am very wary of it. I did nothing but support all my friends in their personal journeys, I never pushed my pregnancies in their faces, my kids are happy, healthy, loved.

But it's getting to the point where their personal feelings of insecurity - whatever they are - I certainly don't think any of them should feel that way - is bordering on being unkind to me. I think they have punished me enough for being able to conceive, have two DC, breastfeed, or whatever it is they have a problem with.

Trouble is if I mention it like this, it plays straight into their hands. It's almost like they want me to rub it in their faces that I have had two of my own DC, because they have somehow decided amongst themselves that I am smug about it. Our friendship only works if I put myself down and act like I never deserved to have my dc and what a joke the universe plays when it grants the joke person a chance to have their own DC.

OP posts:
noni1711 · 02/04/2017 04:26

do you want yourself to constant;y judged in this way? I am thinking not!n. G with what you and ur chilefren feel positive - do not let them rule - eve if it means spending one on one what them for. Awhile - blisss!!!!

londonrach · 02/04/2017 05:14

Why are you seeing them. They not friends. Loads of lovely friendly mothers out there. Distance yourself from these women.

shesnotme · 02/04/2017 05:36

Why the fuck areyou friends with them? Ditch

Falafelings · 02/04/2017 05:46

pavlovs dogs. Train them up. Each time they behave badly stop seeing them for a month. Only spend time with them if they are nice. Leave immediately/calmly/neutrally if you find them offensive. Be polite if they text but stay mentally removed.

Or stop seeing them.

Make new friends.

Regardless of conception/infertility some new parents are extreamly judgemental.

We all have our own ways of parenting and mutual respect is important. Chatting about parenting is positive but sitting in judgment of others is nasty. Says more about them then you.

I breast fed till 2, did baby led weaning, never touched formula and cook organic. They are my life style choices. My friends have made very different choices. Choices that are the right thing for them. We are all very accepting and supportive of each other.

TheLegendOfBeans · 02/04/2017 05:46

That because I haven't been through the ringer with trying to have children that I am somehow inadequate and not part of the "club."

I think that could be the root of the issue and you'll never be able to overcome their prejudice against you.

Nasty cows. Move on.

Lovelymess · 02/04/2017 08:08

They sounds bitter and jealous that you conceived naturally. Real friends what be happy for you regardless of how etc like you are with them. I would distance myself personally

CatsRidingRollercoasters · 02/04/2017 08:11

They are twats. Ditch them.

There's a very real risk that your dc will pick up on their nasty attitude towards you all. I wouldn't see them again.

gemgemgemgemgem · 02/04/2017 08:15

This sounds like bullying- slowly trying to wear down your confidence as s mother to make themselves feel better. Sometimes friendships have run their course, these women are not your friends already as it sounds, make the break and find people that are happy for you. Xx

HettySunshine · 02/04/2017 08:27

These women are not your friends.

They are a coven that you need to distance yourself from. You deserve much better op.

Tweez · 02/04/2017 08:52

My son is 24 now, but I made friends with three other women who all had their babies in hospital at the same time and we kept in touch at that time meeting regularly. I remember then how competitive they all were. Their girls all never slept much, mine however, the only boy in the group slept like a dream. They were envious of my sleep and virtually ganged up on me every time I met them. I stopped seeing them after about a year as always felt very down afterwards and I never ever saw them again. You could start seeing your 'friends' a little less and see if it makes you happier...as I bet you'll feel the same as me.

originalbiglymavis · 02/04/2017 08:57

They are not long to change and their kids will learn similar attitude as they get older and look down on your child.

Either stand up for yourself and tell them to bugger off and keep their comments to themselves, or back away from the coven and find nice people to hang out with. Friends shouldn't make out feel like shit.

WhataHexIgotinto · 02/04/2017 09:02

I don't have any idea if it's got anything to do with fertility or what but i suspect it just sounds like they're really horrible, unpleasant individuals.

Don't waste another second on this lot, cut your losses and leave them behind. If they ask you why - tell them.

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 02/04/2017 09:09

Some people need to have a punchbag. Someone they can put down to make themselves feel better.

Don't allow yourself to be their punchbag.

You deserve proper friends. These are not friends. They don't see you as a friend certainly.

Lots of good advice here. And i think pretty unanimous! Take care of yourself Flowers

pringlecat · 02/04/2017 09:21

I know you don't want to ditch your lovely friends, but let's face it, these women have changed and they're not those lovely people anymore.

Distance yourself. Possibly make contact in a few years when the novelty of motherhood has worn off to see if they've reverted to their previous selves or if they're still judgey bitches. Maybe don't make contact at all.

But for sure, right now, make some new friends. Ones who actually like you.

pissedlady · 02/04/2017 10:23

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FrizzyMcFrizzface · 02/04/2017 11:06

Haven't RTFT but simply they are jealous of the fact that you were the only one able to conceive naturally and so they are finding every way to justify that they are better than you to make themselves better. It's wrong, and horrible and unfair and you should get rid. Just withdraw and find some new friends by joining a baby group they don't belong to. Good luck and Flowers

user1485984489 · 02/04/2017 12:23

Am sure this has already been said (don't have time to read through 8 pages!) but they sound like a load of jealous, judgy, sanctimonous bitches! This is not how friends should treat each other.

lolasdaughter · 02/04/2017 15:17

Sounds like classic bullying behaviour ganging up on you like that. Are they different when you're 1 on 1? Agree with others- these are no real friends. Suggest you get new ones; may not be easy but better to try and find people that will support and nurture even if only a few. In any case you need to stand up to them. Again won't be easy as they sound like a horrible pack, but if you're going to lose them anyway you've got nothing to lose and will feel better for it!

Faith7777 · 02/04/2017 15:21

Move on for the sake of your children. You're modelling healthy friendships to your children and what you've described isn't one I'm afraid.

TheViceOfReason · 02/04/2017 15:33

So stop contact with them???

Honestly, these people are clearly horrible and don't bring positive things to your life - take control and make better friends.

Castieldeansam · 02/04/2017 16:29

I agree with others, start to distance yourself.
If you they have a go again, have a quip ready.
'Everyone parents differently, and whose to say who is right or wrong, that said, some of us are far too polite to point out the differences.'
I once had to point this out to friends when they thought they were parenting guru's!!

FairytalesAreBullshit · 02/04/2017 16:29

If I was you I would slowly calm things down with them, you don't want that stress in your life. Imagine when they're at school and they'll be getting tuition so their DD is achieving the best level out of all your DD's. In my books DS started school, I was very academic and did a lot with him, plus he didn't go to a typical nursery, so hoped that made a difference, but he's middle set for English and Maths, although teachers said it's lack of effort he isn't doing better.

I don't know if I can call myself a veteran, but it doesn't matter what either your DD or DS achieve, their happiness is paramount. Stressing them about what they're achieving is only going to impact you and DC.

I guess it would really annoy your friends if you said, I've thought about it, I'm not bothered about how DC do at school as long as they're happy and try their hardest. DC could be a heart surgeon or road sweeper as long as they're happy, that's all that matters.

Popfan · 02/04/2017 21:13

Wow, not sure why you are still friends with them! Get rid!

Madwoman5 · 02/04/2017 23:09

Sounds like my anti natal group. Time to move on.

Crumbleface · 13/04/2017 13:10

I know this post is a week old, but just wanted to say that you really don't need these horrid, smug, competitive women in your life. Not just for yours, but your children's sake. Seeing you being self-deprecating to please people isn't good for them (I do it myself and I'm trying not to).

Once you are out of the picture they will just bitch to each other and destroy themselves! It is really telling that they don't have the depth of character to have conversations about anything beyond their children being more amazing than everyone else's. It seems they may be quite insecure.

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