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To think this is unkind? (Friend and baby related)

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Theoffwhite · 31/03/2017 18:52

I am friends with a group of three girls and we've known each other since college (A,B and C.) At the same age we all hit a stage we wanted to have kids (we didn't plan to try together, but we were all the same age and married.) We all found it quite difficult to conceive (all late thirties/40s)

Friend A tried for a while but was told she could not have children and so after a year of applying she adopted the loveliest little girl who is the same age as my dd. (She adopted her when she was 1yo.)

Friend B tried IVF for a short time but she felt it messed up her body and her hormones and decided she did not want to have children at all if It involved putting things into her body that would harm it. As part of this she also qualified to become a naturopath.

Friend C went ahead with IVF and eventually used a donor egg and had a baby, also a similar age to my dd and friend A's dd.

I eventually got pregnant naturally, had a dd and went on to have a ds too.

So there are three dds all a similar age, my ds who is a baby, and the four of us friends.

Now to the problem -

I feel that they have all ganged up on me about my ability as a parent, and imply that i do not deserve to have DCs.

I BF'd DD until she was 1 and am still BF-ing DS. I then swapped to formula for DD. All three of my friends have said I am not doing best by my DD by giving her aptamil instead of organic formula milk. Friend B, the naturopath, sets the tone of what is "best" and the others follow. And because I have not always followed her advice, I am looked down upon.

I also do not give my DC exclusively organic food, and again my three friends, the naturopath and those with the dds, eat all organic and have told me that I am lazy for not providing it for my DC.

When I weaned DD, I used a lot of Ella's kitchen pouches, which only led them to tell me that they thought I was being lazy (as they bought the organic veg, processed it themselves, potted it up etc.)

Friend A whose adopted daughter is almost exactly the same age as DD is extremely competitive about their progress and their behaviour and their clothes. She is constantly comparing our two dds and making jokes about how my DD had a head start (by not being adopted?!) and how she should be cleverer/more settled/more well behaved/more attached to parents than her DD but that her DD is running rings around my DD.

It's all made out to be a joke, but I don't really find it much of a joke. Friends B and C agree with her and they joke about how I find shortcuts in motherhood or let my Dc Watch too much TV or let them stay up too late and that I am an inappropriate person to have DC or somehow I am taking it for granted because it was so easy for me. They all refer to my DC as "poor DD AND DS," the implication that they have been born to someone who is all over the place. Again as a joke. That because I haven't been through the ringer with trying to have children that I am somehow inadequate and not part of the "club."

Friend C has had a full time, live-in nanny from the moment she had her DD, because she works long hours in a full time job. When I take my dc's over to friend C's house to play with her DD, I can tell that she has primed the nanny to find fault/give advice about childcare to me. From the moment I walk in the door, the nanny (an older woman) tuts that my DC are too cold, not wearing enough/ look unhappy / look tired/starving. DS is just starting to be weaned and I didn't realise until I got to her house the other day, but the nanny was under the impression (probably with orders given by friend C) that she had to teach me how to wean DS. I had already weaned DD so knew what to do, DS was already eating fine, and had never implied to any of them that I needed any help.

Friend C also keeps saying "are you STILL breastfeeding?" And rolls her eyes. Friend A also rolls her eyes. As if I am doing it deliberately to upset them. They say "stop putting your breasts in my face." Friend B pipes up "it's useless breastfeeding after a certain point, it becomes just like formula." Which I know ISN't true!

I don't feel competitive, I don't feel like I'm an inadequate mother. I don't show off (i have nothing to show off - DD is constantly tantrumming and they all roll their eyes as if it's my inadequate parenting,) I have never acted smug - i hate smugness in others and am very wary of it. I did nothing but support all my friends in their personal journeys, I never pushed my pregnancies in their faces, my kids are happy, healthy, loved.

But it's getting to the point where their personal feelings of insecurity - whatever they are - I certainly don't think any of them should feel that way - is bordering on being unkind to me. I think they have punished me enough for being able to conceive, have two DC, breastfeed, or whatever it is they have a problem with.

Trouble is if I mention it like this, it plays straight into their hands. It's almost like they want me to rub it in their faces that I have had two of my own DC, because they have somehow decided amongst themselves that I am smug about it. Our friendship only works if I put myself down and act like I never deserved to have my dc and what a joke the universe plays when it grants the joke person a chance to have their own DC.

OP posts:
zen1 · 31/03/2017 19:22

Yup, ditch them. You are getting nothing out of associating with these people. There are plenty of women who would value your friendship who wouldn't sit in judgment on every little thing. Life is too short!

ChasedByBees · 31/03/2017 19:25

Tell them to fuck off. They are horrible.

bostoncremecrazy · 31/03/2017 19:26

I had my babies via adoption and ivf. I'd wager they are jealous of you and dont know what to with that....its easier to get together and be mean than own their feelings and muddle along.
They also feel a bit superior if they are buying organic and spending time cooking and pureeing etc...and you are not.
Maybe they are also jealous of you bf but can verbalise that so its easier to say put your boob away..are you still feeding etc..
Yes adoption can be lonely but its no excuse to be horrible to your friends!
I say ditch them and find better friends!

WeiAnMeokEo · 31/03/2017 19:28

O my DAYS tell them to fuck right off! I had a similar realigation with a friendship group recently: I have to act like the comedy eejit/flake/alternative hippie and entertain them while being really grateful they let me play with the grown ups. It's reallyour fucking unhealthy and fuccs with your head. Empathy!

ThreeFish · 31/03/2017 19:29

You need new friends. Drop these weirdos. They don't like you.

Yes to PP, the other DD's will soon pick up on the language and tone used for your DD, and then she too will be made to feel inadequate.

NotAnotheChinHair · 31/03/2017 19:29

What were they like before you all had DC?

ElspethFlashman · 31/03/2017 19:32

They are sanctimonious bitches.

Are you seeing any of them again soon, OP?

Rainydayspending · 31/03/2017 19:32

Run for the hills. They are not friends and will only be a negative influence on your dc.

Summersunshine222 · 31/03/2017 19:32

They are very jealous

ispymincepie · 31/03/2017 19:34

Get new friends! You sound like you're doing great Smile

Cloudyapples · 31/03/2017 19:34

I'd find it difficult not to say something back if it was me e.g. When they say you're lazy 'well we can't all afford to have a nanny who does everything for us'

Realise this means stooping to their level but might shut them up for a while

rascallyrascal · 31/03/2017 19:34

These women sound awful! Ditch them and find some normal friends!!

Maryhadalittlelambstew · 31/03/2017 19:35

Wow, they sound like frenimies not friends. I understand that its difficult and you probably miss the old them but I would try and start making new friends who will treat you with kindness and respect. It sounds like they have a lot of insecurities, particularly your friend with a DD the same age as yours and is pinning that on you and undermining you as a mum which is just plain mean. Can you try and get to toddler groups and start branching out and making new friends? And in the mean time limit the time you spend and the information you give your friends so they have less "ammo" to be unkind to you with.

Sorry you're going through this, its really not nice and you sound like a lovely person Flowers

GingerMcGrey · 31/03/2017 19:36

You're being patronised and belittled by a naturopath and her minions! Definitely time for new friends.

Derlei · 31/03/2017 19:37

I echo the PPs. They are jealous and bitter. Stop contacting them and give them the cold shoulder. If they confront you about it (which I'm sure they will do in quite a passive aggressive way) then just say "we're not suited to be friends anymore, you clearly have a problem with me and I don't need friends like you in my life".
Good luck

mycatloveslego · 31/03/2017 19:39

You sound lovely OP and are doing a great job. I suspect they're very jealous of you. Parenting is hard at the best of times and good supportive friends are what sometimes gets you through the rough patches. It doesn't sound like you'd get much support from any of them. Ditch them and move on. You deserve better.

elliejjtiny · 31/03/2017 19:39

They sound jealous to me and best avoided. Next time one of them suggests meeting up you need to be busy doing something much more exciting.

donquixotedelamancha · 31/03/2017 19:40

"she also qualified to become a naturopath" That's a bit like saying she qualified to be a Jedi. Unless the training was for the confidence trickster elements of the job.

Your only mistake is choosing loony friends. Everything else is their issue.

EdenX · 31/03/2017 19:42

They're jealous and being vile bitches. Stop seeing them so much, or only see them without children, and get some friends who are nice to you.

Wauden · 31/03/2017 19:42

OP, in your post you said: 'DD is constantly tantrumming and they all roll their eyes as if it's my inadequate parenting...'

'Constantly tantrumming.' - your words...

PidgeonSpray · 31/03/2017 19:43

I'm sorry they are bullying you like this. They don't sound like true friends unfortunately. Do you get anything positive from these "friends"?

I would cut back contact and make them "acquaintances" instead. Too much negativity.

Also (a slight pet peave of mine) from what I have read there is absolutely no known / scientificly proven health benefit from organic food. It's even arguable that it's not better for the farmers or the environment if you look at carbon footprint. From the science papers and research I've read... it's widely regarded as a marketing gimmick !

MusicToMyEars800 · 31/03/2017 19:44

nothing to add that hasn't already been said!! they all sound awful and toxic it's no better than you being ganged up on and beaten with a bat, but this is being done verbally.

PurpleMinionMummy · 31/03/2017 19:45

You need some new friends. Phase them out, I think you're too busy growing some organic veg to socialise ;)

Viviennemary · 31/03/2017 19:46

There is no reason to subject yourself to this kind of nastiness. Find new friends and ditch this lot. They obviously make you feel bad about yourself and it sounds as if it's quite deliberate. They sound jealous and mixed up and unable to accept their own circumstances. So if they feel inadequate (which they shouldn't) but they are taking it out on you. which is horrible.

1AnnoyingOrange · 31/03/2017 19:47

Take a step back from them and look out for other people to spend time with. Even if you don't cut them off, at least it will be a balance speaking to normal people who will not make such mean "jokes". It may come from their own insecurities but is too much.

There is a horrible dynamic here. I am not good at confrontation but I wonder if you are taking this too well? Would serious answers with no smiling stop them?

I think I'd cry if any of my friends thought that was funny!