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To think this is unkind? (Friend and baby related)

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Theoffwhite · 31/03/2017 18:52

I am friends with a group of three girls and we've known each other since college (A,B and C.) At the same age we all hit a stage we wanted to have kids (we didn't plan to try together, but we were all the same age and married.) We all found it quite difficult to conceive (all late thirties/40s)

Friend A tried for a while but was told she could not have children and so after a year of applying she adopted the loveliest little girl who is the same age as my dd. (She adopted her when she was 1yo.)

Friend B tried IVF for a short time but she felt it messed up her body and her hormones and decided she did not want to have children at all if It involved putting things into her body that would harm it. As part of this she also qualified to become a naturopath.

Friend C went ahead with IVF and eventually used a donor egg and had a baby, also a similar age to my dd and friend A's dd.

I eventually got pregnant naturally, had a dd and went on to have a ds too.

So there are three dds all a similar age, my ds who is a baby, and the four of us friends.

Now to the problem -

I feel that they have all ganged up on me about my ability as a parent, and imply that i do not deserve to have DCs.

I BF'd DD until she was 1 and am still BF-ing DS. I then swapped to formula for DD. All three of my friends have said I am not doing best by my DD by giving her aptamil instead of organic formula milk. Friend B, the naturopath, sets the tone of what is "best" and the others follow. And because I have not always followed her advice, I am looked down upon.

I also do not give my DC exclusively organic food, and again my three friends, the naturopath and those with the dds, eat all organic and have told me that I am lazy for not providing it for my DC.

When I weaned DD, I used a lot of Ella's kitchen pouches, which only led them to tell me that they thought I was being lazy (as they bought the organic veg, processed it themselves, potted it up etc.)

Friend A whose adopted daughter is almost exactly the same age as DD is extremely competitive about their progress and their behaviour and their clothes. She is constantly comparing our two dds and making jokes about how my DD had a head start (by not being adopted?!) and how she should be cleverer/more settled/more well behaved/more attached to parents than her DD but that her DD is running rings around my DD.

It's all made out to be a joke, but I don't really find it much of a joke. Friends B and C agree with her and they joke about how I find shortcuts in motherhood or let my Dc Watch too much TV or let them stay up too late and that I am an inappropriate person to have DC or somehow I am taking it for granted because it was so easy for me. They all refer to my DC as "poor DD AND DS," the implication that they have been born to someone who is all over the place. Again as a joke. That because I haven't been through the ringer with trying to have children that I am somehow inadequate and not part of the "club."

Friend C has had a full time, live-in nanny from the moment she had her DD, because she works long hours in a full time job. When I take my dc's over to friend C's house to play with her DD, I can tell that she has primed the nanny to find fault/give advice about childcare to me. From the moment I walk in the door, the nanny (an older woman) tuts that my DC are too cold, not wearing enough/ look unhappy / look tired/starving. DS is just starting to be weaned and I didn't realise until I got to her house the other day, but the nanny was under the impression (probably with orders given by friend C) that she had to teach me how to wean DS. I had already weaned DD so knew what to do, DS was already eating fine, and had never implied to any of them that I needed any help.

Friend C also keeps saying "are you STILL breastfeeding?" And rolls her eyes. Friend A also rolls her eyes. As if I am doing it deliberately to upset them. They say "stop putting your breasts in my face." Friend B pipes up "it's useless breastfeeding after a certain point, it becomes just like formula." Which I know ISN't true!

I don't feel competitive, I don't feel like I'm an inadequate mother. I don't show off (i have nothing to show off - DD is constantly tantrumming and they all roll their eyes as if it's my inadequate parenting,) I have never acted smug - i hate smugness in others and am very wary of it. I did nothing but support all my friends in their personal journeys, I never pushed my pregnancies in their faces, my kids are happy, healthy, loved.

But it's getting to the point where their personal feelings of insecurity - whatever they are - I certainly don't think any of them should feel that way - is bordering on being unkind to me. I think they have punished me enough for being able to conceive, have two DC, breastfeed, or whatever it is they have a problem with.

Trouble is if I mention it like this, it plays straight into their hands. It's almost like they want me to rub it in their faces that I have had two of my own DC, because they have somehow decided amongst themselves that I am smug about it. Our friendship only works if I put myself down and act like I never deserved to have my dc and what a joke the universe plays when it grants the joke person a chance to have their own DC.

OP posts:
Wishiwasmoiradingle2017 · 31/03/2017 19:09

Go to your contacts list right now and delete and block all of them. .
Tomorrow you will feel like a new woman I promise you!!
And Monday set your mind to finding some normal well adjusted new friends!!

DesignedForLife · 31/03/2017 19:09

Find new friends!

Itsjustaphase2016 · 31/03/2017 19:09

Errrrm get some normal mum friends!!!!! I don't know anyone like these psycho mums you describe! (Actually I do know one mum that does the whole organic/no tv/super organised/I'm so amazing thing and no one likes her). Yep, time to drop these weirdos!!

ohfourfoxache · 31/03/2017 19:09

What a nasty bunch Shock

Get as much distance between you as fast as you can and don't look back Thanks

Boooooom · 31/03/2017 19:10

Find some new friends, some that make you feel good about yourself and don't judge you. Life is too short x

LadyPW · 31/03/2017 19:10

2 words - new friends.
You don't need them. Just because you've been friends for ages doesn't mean that you were destined to be friends forever. People change (apparently some, like your friends, go backwards). Find some normal decent friends. And leave the bitches behind.

Cocolepew · 31/03/2017 19:10

Dump them, what on earth are you getting out of seeing them?
They are ganging up to bully you.

EC22 · 31/03/2017 19:10

They don't sound like friends.
Mummies can be competitive but they are deliberately undermining you because of skewed jealousy.

I'd distance myself or call them
on it and clear the air?

usefultoken · 31/03/2017 19:11

Our friendship only works if I put myself down and act like I never deserved to have my dc and what a joke the universe plays when it grants the joke person a chance to have their own DC.
I was reading your post with detached interest (and feeling sorry for you), until this line. This reminds me sooo much of my role in a friendship group, although it was before I had children. I had 2 best friends who I had since I was 11. I came to realise (through making a big decision that they disagreed with), that it only worked if I played stupid. One of them was constantly embarrassed on my behalf. I realised I just did not need or want that any more. Sad as I am that a friendship of so many years is now non-existant, I now have very close friends who treat me as an equal.
If there are things you value in this friendship maybe it can continue, but I think you need to set some firm boundaries, firstly by explaining you are very happy with your parenting choices!

Leftfootsayshi · 31/03/2017 19:11

Your DD has had a head start on the girl who was adopted. Your DD does have a better chance of secure attachments. Friend A may be trying to explain that adoptive parenting is harder, and different, and her child has had a difficult start.

The other stuff all sounds bonkers.

But being an adoptive parent can be lonely, maybe cut that friend some slack.

Creatureofthenight · 31/03/2017 19:11

They sound like nasty judgemental cows, and I think you'd be happier without them.

Eminado · 31/03/2017 19:11

*Today 19:04 ChuckDaffodils

Good grief. What a pack of witches.

^^
This!!!

lucyandpoppy123 · 31/03/2017 19:12

They sound like nobs who are jealous that you have 2 DC's and are happy so they are bullying you to make themselves feel better/justify their parenting choices.

ItsNachoCheese · 31/03/2017 19:12

Id tell the lot of them to piss off and take their nastiness with them.

GlassSeahorse · 31/03/2017 19:12

Dear God, why are you still seeing them? I'd sever all ties now.

I had ONE friend who behaved in a similar manner and I dropped her in the end. I had enough problems without being made out to be a bad mother just to boost someone else's self-esteem.

Clandestino · 31/03/2017 19:13

They're not your friends. They're three nasty bitches you using you to feel better about themselves. Find yourself other friends. While maybe difficult at the beginning, long term you and your little one will benefit from it.

Applesandpears23 · 31/03/2017 19:13

I cannot understand bullying someone to mobe to formula and then banging on about organic. You are doing a wonderful job breastfeeding, please don't let these rude, mean, ignorant women put you off.

MakeItStopNeville · 31/03/2017 19:14

Are you actually getting anything out of these friendships? If not, I'm guessing they've run their course. And that's ok. It happens. But don't get sucked in and feel bad about yourself. Likes too short!

DragonFire99 · 31/03/2017 19:14

Very unkind. Mad. Have you challenged them on why they treat you like this? I'd dump them all, and find nicer friends.

TitaniasCloset · 31/03/2017 19:14

Everyone is in agreement op, new friends, drip the judgy witches.

How do you feel about that?

Obsidian77 · 31/03/2017 19:14

They don't sound very much like friends. If you felt inclined to do so, I might consider one last effort with them, where I met with two of them (any two, they all sound batshit) and firmly but not aggressively lay out the situation; ie that they are persistently and gratuitously critical of your parenting choices, that it's actually none of their business and is merely spiteful and destructive. Can they stop doing this or do you need to bring your friendship to a close?
I'm suggesting this as an exit strategy because I think if you just go NC with them (which is absolutely fair enough), it will always rankle that you had to put up with this shit.

silkpyjamasallday · 31/03/2017 19:16

Flowers I'm so sorry that you are in this situation OP, you would hope that people who have had such struggles would be more compassionate people but clearly not. I wouldn't be friends with people who are that out and out nasty, I think it is pretty clear that they are all very very bitter and their new bonding activity is bitching about you to your face!

How can this naturopath claim that breastfeeding is the same as formula?! Because it suits her agenda to bully you and try to belittle you with her 'superior' knowledge. And then berating you for not making your own organic purée?! You could retort that you made their milk from scratch! But saying that would start a bunfight

^^ I would cut my losses and next time they do something like this, just get up gather your things and tell them 'I am going now, I don't want to spend time with people who think that it is acceptable to speak to me like that, and I certainly don't want my dc's to learn from your example' or something along those lines, don't sink to their level with nastiness just present them with the facts and go, delete their numbers, delete from social media. If you don't I imagine that this behaviour will continue for the rest of your life, what school they got into, what subjects they take, what grades they get, how many extracurriculars do they do, what university they go to, first to buy a house, first to get married.... it will continue and continue and the only way to stop it is to call them out on it, but as they have formed a group against you I don't imagine they will apologise just continue to bitch.

I have put up with this sort of behaviour for too long too many times, and it wasn't worth it I wish I had cut my losses sooner and not wasted time trying to be friends with absolute harpies. It ruined my mental health and I won't forgive them for that. Get out sooner rather than later!

Underthemoonlight · 31/03/2017 19:18

They sound jealous people who are genuinely happy don't act like this I would ditch them

Stripeyblanket · 31/03/2017 19:21

Ignore and distance. You sound like a loving caring mother. Everyone parents differently.

I have an almost 19 m/o who is still breastfed, (he's just dropped off on my chest as it bedtime and I'm enjoying a cuddle) he refuses and gags at normal milk and never would take formula. I never thought I would feed him this long but I made a choice that if I could. I would and I let him self wean. It's only really bedtime and sometimes in the day if he's poorly.

Breast milk has been proven to be beneficial right up to age 3. The global weaning ages and standards are between age 3 and 7! Tell your so called friends to go suck it (not literally) and maybe consider finding some new friends with children.

StickyWick · 31/03/2017 19:21

Wow, you've know these women for 20 years (?) Were they always like this?

It sounds so weird. How on earth do these conversations keep coming up? I can't believe ALL three refer to both your DC as 'poor' DD and 'poor' DS. Hmm

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