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To think this is unkind? (Friend and baby related)

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Theoffwhite · 31/03/2017 18:52

I am friends with a group of three girls and we've known each other since college (A,B and C.) At the same age we all hit a stage we wanted to have kids (we didn't plan to try together, but we were all the same age and married.) We all found it quite difficult to conceive (all late thirties/40s)

Friend A tried for a while but was told she could not have children and so after a year of applying she adopted the loveliest little girl who is the same age as my dd. (She adopted her when she was 1yo.)

Friend B tried IVF for a short time but she felt it messed up her body and her hormones and decided she did not want to have children at all if It involved putting things into her body that would harm it. As part of this she also qualified to become a naturopath.

Friend C went ahead with IVF and eventually used a donor egg and had a baby, also a similar age to my dd and friend A's dd.

I eventually got pregnant naturally, had a dd and went on to have a ds too.

So there are three dds all a similar age, my ds who is a baby, and the four of us friends.

Now to the problem -

I feel that they have all ganged up on me about my ability as a parent, and imply that i do not deserve to have DCs.

I BF'd DD until she was 1 and am still BF-ing DS. I then swapped to formula for DD. All three of my friends have said I am not doing best by my DD by giving her aptamil instead of organic formula milk. Friend B, the naturopath, sets the tone of what is "best" and the others follow. And because I have not always followed her advice, I am looked down upon.

I also do not give my DC exclusively organic food, and again my three friends, the naturopath and those with the dds, eat all organic and have told me that I am lazy for not providing it for my DC.

When I weaned DD, I used a lot of Ella's kitchen pouches, which only led them to tell me that they thought I was being lazy (as they bought the organic veg, processed it themselves, potted it up etc.)

Friend A whose adopted daughter is almost exactly the same age as DD is extremely competitive about their progress and their behaviour and their clothes. She is constantly comparing our two dds and making jokes about how my DD had a head start (by not being adopted?!) and how she should be cleverer/more settled/more well behaved/more attached to parents than her DD but that her DD is running rings around my DD.

It's all made out to be a joke, but I don't really find it much of a joke. Friends B and C agree with her and they joke about how I find shortcuts in motherhood or let my Dc Watch too much TV or let them stay up too late and that I am an inappropriate person to have DC or somehow I am taking it for granted because it was so easy for me. They all refer to my DC as "poor DD AND DS," the implication that they have been born to someone who is all over the place. Again as a joke. That because I haven't been through the ringer with trying to have children that I am somehow inadequate and not part of the "club."

Friend C has had a full time, live-in nanny from the moment she had her DD, because she works long hours in a full time job. When I take my dc's over to friend C's house to play with her DD, I can tell that she has primed the nanny to find fault/give advice about childcare to me. From the moment I walk in the door, the nanny (an older woman) tuts that my DC are too cold, not wearing enough/ look unhappy / look tired/starving. DS is just starting to be weaned and I didn't realise until I got to her house the other day, but the nanny was under the impression (probably with orders given by friend C) that she had to teach me how to wean DS. I had already weaned DD so knew what to do, DS was already eating fine, and had never implied to any of them that I needed any help.

Friend C also keeps saying "are you STILL breastfeeding?" And rolls her eyes. Friend A also rolls her eyes. As if I am doing it deliberately to upset them. They say "stop putting your breasts in my face." Friend B pipes up "it's useless breastfeeding after a certain point, it becomes just like formula." Which I know ISN't true!

I don't feel competitive, I don't feel like I'm an inadequate mother. I don't show off (i have nothing to show off - DD is constantly tantrumming and they all roll their eyes as if it's my inadequate parenting,) I have never acted smug - i hate smugness in others and am very wary of it. I did nothing but support all my friends in their personal journeys, I never pushed my pregnancies in their faces, my kids are happy, healthy, loved.

But it's getting to the point where their personal feelings of insecurity - whatever they are - I certainly don't think any of them should feel that way - is bordering on being unkind to me. I think they have punished me enough for being able to conceive, have two DC, breastfeed, or whatever it is they have a problem with.

Trouble is if I mention it like this, it plays straight into their hands. It's almost like they want me to rub it in their faces that I have had two of my own DC, because they have somehow decided amongst themselves that I am smug about it. Our friendship only works if I put myself down and act like I never deserved to have my dc and what a joke the universe plays when it grants the joke person a chance to have their own DC.

OP posts:
Alconleigh · 31/03/2017 20:21

Nope OP, you don't deserve this. They aren't your friends. Please cut them off.

flupi · 31/03/2017 20:23

As everyone here says, remove yourself, just don't be available for the next few meetings, no need for any dramas or communication so that if you do see them out and about in the future you can play it cool and say I've been sooo busy etc. and meanwhile make some new friends by joining some new toddler groups, music groups whatever. Youll be surprised how easily and quickly this can happen with young children. You are surrounded by so much negativity with this group that it can be doing you and your children no good. You will definitely feel positive by taking this step.

EweAreHere · 31/03/2017 20:26

Why do you continue to go back and spend time with people who treat you (and your children - remember, they're saying all this about them and in front of them) like crap?

Why are you allowing them to talk to you in this manner?

Why are you allowing them to judge you and your children?

20 years of knowing people doesn't mean you have to keep hanging around if it's a toxic dynamic. And they are toxic, judgmental people.

Run.

Find new friends.

TheRealPooTroll · 31/03/2017 20:29

I'd meet up with them one last time. Hint at how much cleverer/better at everything your kids seem than theirs. Talk about how much of a rip off organic food is and imply that breastfeeding longer is the reason your kids seem so ahead of theirs now but not to worry as their children might catch up one day.
Also talk about how you simply couldn't go back to work and leave your children with a nanny even though you totally respect other people who make that decision.
Basically be an absolute bitch like they have been doing then delete their numbers and don't look back.

HotelEuphoria · 31/03/2017 20:32

Good grief, they are bonkers, per-lonkers. Get rid.

FixItUpChappie · 31/03/2017 20:33

People are never "just kidding" - there is always an underlining "truth" someone's trying to passive aggressively relay. They don't sound much like friends.

FixItUpChappie · 31/03/2017 20:35

And I'd bet a tender they bitch about you behind your back. You sound on th outs of this group - better to create distance. Friendships should make you feel good not upset.

eddielizzard · 31/03/2017 20:35

sounds awful. i'd cut contact, hard as that might be at first.

MycatsaPirate · 31/03/2017 20:38

omg! Next time you are invited over, tell the nanny to take a break and then feed all the kids stuff from greggs.

FixItUpChappie · 31/03/2017 20:39

Tender Confused tenner

ThoraGruntwhistle · 31/03/2017 20:40

So because you conceived naturally, they've decided that everything else you've done since is somehow 'unnatural'? Confused fucking loons.

gamerchick · 31/03/2017 20:41

WHY on EARTH are you still hanging around with these people? Hmm tell them to get fucked and find some new friends.

Seriously.

PurpleDaisies · 31/03/2017 20:41

Next time you see them all i'd be inclined to tell them you are ttc again, and as none of them can have children naturally you are going to make friends with people who are less 'challenged' in the fertility department. And take a snap of thier faces as you say "later bitches" and flounce out.

Their behaviour has been totally unacceptable so take them to task for that. To use someone's fertility problems as a target for attack is a disgusting thing to suggest.

Jazzywazzydodah · 31/03/2017 20:43

These are not your friends.

Tell them all to fuvk off

purplecollar · 31/03/2017 20:45

I think it's funny when you look back on these times. I remember some utterly bonkers comments people I still know made about baby rearing.

They all grow up and are good at different things. None of them are good at everything or bad at everything. It puts things in perspective then I think and it becomes a lot easier to get on with other parents.

But those early days I culled a few people who were just too annoying for words. I think you need to widen your friendships myself - they are being arses.

Patriciathestripper1 · 31/03/2017 20:49

One word For them - jealous - pure and simple.
Cut them loose and make new freinds.

Spiralblanket · 31/03/2017 20:53

They sound really mean. Please find some new normal nice friends

Coloursthatweremyjoy · 31/03/2017 20:57

I'm so sorry this is happening to you.

This is easy to say but they are not friends. Someone told me that with every stop, someone gets off the bus. Time to move on. No big confrontation (unless you need it) just be busy. How dare they treat you this way! All you have become is an outlet for their vitriol and you deserve better.

I had friends like this. My son was delayed he turned out to have Autism (not suggesting for a moment that your children have any problems). I got criticised and then dropped. Looking back said friends could not cope with anything that contrasted with their view of a rose tinted universe. It bloody hurt and I was lonely for a while. But goodness me I was well rid! I have since heard that they have done it to others, not nice.

There are better people out there. It took a while but small children are great at opening doors to friendships you will find other friends.

I feel for you OP nothing you are doing is weird or wrong, but you know that. X

Bibs2014 · 31/03/2017 20:59

Omg they're AWFUL! Tell them to F OFF!!

TheRealPooTroll · 31/03/2017 21:02

I'd also go on about how much more time you have to interact and read with your children because you're at home with them and not wasting time pureeing turnips!
I do agree with PurpeDaisies though that any dig about fertility troubles would be way below the belt.

Masketti · 31/03/2017 21:03

You sound lovely OP.

Sometimes we grow up and grow together and sometimes we grow apart. It sounds like the latter in your case and perhaps you need to look for new friends who are more supportive of who you are now rather than who you were then.

They are toxic and not helpful to stay friends with.

Iwasjustabouttosaythat · 31/03/2017 21:05

OP, I didn't actually finish reading your post because it makes me too angry. These "friends" are utterly repulsive. Join a few playgroups (if you haven't already) and meet nicer, normal people.

These people sound jealous and they want to tear you down. Don't let your children be around this. They really don't need to be hearing how inadequate they are because you're such a terrible parent.

Naturopaths are dangerous morons and your "friend" is a perfect example of this. I can understand the adoptive mother being anxious but she shouldn't take it out on you. The other one just sounds like an idiot. Get out of there.

mylittlephoney · 31/03/2017 21:06

Ditch these bitches. Your doing great. Don't let anyone tell you different. Enjoy your kids. Don't rise to all this competative bullshit. We all know kids do different things at different times. Sorry. But these "friends" are cunts.

thatorchidmoment · 31/03/2017 21:09

They are trying to compensate for their feelings of inadequacy at struggling to conceive by putting down your parenting to make them feel better about their perceived failures.

I echo Mumsnet by pleading with you to refuse to allow this any longer. I think you should let them know how terrible it has made you feel, but don't feel obliged to confront them face to face.

There are SO MANY people who will parent differently to you and have different journeys to becoming a parent, but who will completely accept the differences and not make you feel inadequate. Go out there and find some! Doubtless they have been scared away by the judgey coven you have unfortunately hung around with. Go to a different social group and you will make actual friends.

Flowers
Starlight2345 · 31/03/2017 21:10

My DS (9) today is having a bit of friendship tonight.. I said to him it does get easier as you get older.. When he asked why I said you reach a point where if it is too much effort you don't bother.

You do need to get to this point..Parenting is hard enough without people constantly putting you down.

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