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To think this is unkind? (Friend and baby related)

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Theoffwhite · 31/03/2017 18:52

I am friends with a group of three girls and we've known each other since college (A,B and C.) At the same age we all hit a stage we wanted to have kids (we didn't plan to try together, but we were all the same age and married.) We all found it quite difficult to conceive (all late thirties/40s)

Friend A tried for a while but was told she could not have children and so after a year of applying she adopted the loveliest little girl who is the same age as my dd. (She adopted her when she was 1yo.)

Friend B tried IVF for a short time but she felt it messed up her body and her hormones and decided she did not want to have children at all if It involved putting things into her body that would harm it. As part of this she also qualified to become a naturopath.

Friend C went ahead with IVF and eventually used a donor egg and had a baby, also a similar age to my dd and friend A's dd.

I eventually got pregnant naturally, had a dd and went on to have a ds too.

So there are three dds all a similar age, my ds who is a baby, and the four of us friends.

Now to the problem -

I feel that they have all ganged up on me about my ability as a parent, and imply that i do not deserve to have DCs.

I BF'd DD until she was 1 and am still BF-ing DS. I then swapped to formula for DD. All three of my friends have said I am not doing best by my DD by giving her aptamil instead of organic formula milk. Friend B, the naturopath, sets the tone of what is "best" and the others follow. And because I have not always followed her advice, I am looked down upon.

I also do not give my DC exclusively organic food, and again my three friends, the naturopath and those with the dds, eat all organic and have told me that I am lazy for not providing it for my DC.

When I weaned DD, I used a lot of Ella's kitchen pouches, which only led them to tell me that they thought I was being lazy (as they bought the organic veg, processed it themselves, potted it up etc.)

Friend A whose adopted daughter is almost exactly the same age as DD is extremely competitive about their progress and their behaviour and their clothes. She is constantly comparing our two dds and making jokes about how my DD had a head start (by not being adopted?!) and how she should be cleverer/more settled/more well behaved/more attached to parents than her DD but that her DD is running rings around my DD.

It's all made out to be a joke, but I don't really find it much of a joke. Friends B and C agree with her and they joke about how I find shortcuts in motherhood or let my Dc Watch too much TV or let them stay up too late and that I am an inappropriate person to have DC or somehow I am taking it for granted because it was so easy for me. They all refer to my DC as "poor DD AND DS," the implication that they have been born to someone who is all over the place. Again as a joke. That because I haven't been through the ringer with trying to have children that I am somehow inadequate and not part of the "club."

Friend C has had a full time, live-in nanny from the moment she had her DD, because she works long hours in a full time job. When I take my dc's over to friend C's house to play with her DD, I can tell that she has primed the nanny to find fault/give advice about childcare to me. From the moment I walk in the door, the nanny (an older woman) tuts that my DC are too cold, not wearing enough/ look unhappy / look tired/starving. DS is just starting to be weaned and I didn't realise until I got to her house the other day, but the nanny was under the impression (probably with orders given by friend C) that she had to teach me how to wean DS. I had already weaned DD so knew what to do, DS was already eating fine, and had never implied to any of them that I needed any help.

Friend C also keeps saying "are you STILL breastfeeding?" And rolls her eyes. Friend A also rolls her eyes. As if I am doing it deliberately to upset them. They say "stop putting your breasts in my face." Friend B pipes up "it's useless breastfeeding after a certain point, it becomes just like formula." Which I know ISN't true!

I don't feel competitive, I don't feel like I'm an inadequate mother. I don't show off (i have nothing to show off - DD is constantly tantrumming and they all roll their eyes as if it's my inadequate parenting,) I have never acted smug - i hate smugness in others and am very wary of it. I did nothing but support all my friends in their personal journeys, I never pushed my pregnancies in their faces, my kids are happy, healthy, loved.

But it's getting to the point where their personal feelings of insecurity - whatever they are - I certainly don't think any of them should feel that way - is bordering on being unkind to me. I think they have punished me enough for being able to conceive, have two DC, breastfeed, or whatever it is they have a problem with.

Trouble is if I mention it like this, it plays straight into their hands. It's almost like they want me to rub it in their faces that I have had two of my own DC, because they have somehow decided amongst themselves that I am smug about it. Our friendship only works if I put myself down and act like I never deserved to have my dc and what a joke the universe plays when it grants the joke person a chance to have their own DC.

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Touchmybum · 01/04/2017 19:10

Have only read the OP but omg you need new friends!

simiisme · 01/04/2017 19:13

They are twats. Ditch them.
Sounds to me like you're doing fine.

DawnSharpe · 01/04/2017 19:23

Good grief why are you wasting your time with these harpies? You can do better than them I'm sure. They are nasty and jealous of your ability to conceive naturally. You are far too good for them. Go and get some proper friends!

GillKC · 01/04/2017 19:26

Give them the finger. They're a bunch of nasty jealous bitches. Your dc sound like mine-NORMAL!!! Make some more friends and give this lot a wide berth. As for getting the nanny to give you advice I've never heard anything like it. Ridiculous.

Katie0705 · 01/04/2017 19:31

With friends like that, who needs enemies? Definitely drop them now, they are ruining your motherhood experiences. You are doing everything right, so don't let the bitches undermine you. If there was anything amiss with they way you care for your children, your Health Visitor would be one of the first to say. You can breast feed for as long as you like, which you already know. Of course, you can drop into conversation with friend C what a shame it is that she is missing out on the early motherhood experiences as she works full time. Why have children? And...BEFORE anyone sets the hounds and vipers on me, I do NOT subscribe to the 'all mothers should stay at home' school of thought!!!

mrsheathy85 · 01/04/2017 19:44

Wow!!! Haven't read all thread yet only your op. Omg Angry

So these "friends" told you that putting your dd on formula when you had ds was awful/neglectful of your dd yet your still bf your ds and they want you to put him on formula...

Kalinka16 · 01/04/2017 19:50

Goodness. I haven't read the whole thread, but I think you could find some new friends. Good luck! No one needs to be shamed for their parenting skills.

AnnabelC · 01/04/2017 19:57

Never be around people who make you feel bad. Choose those who make you feel good. I live by this. There are enough people around to make that choice. Walk away. Good luck.

Monsterpage · 01/04/2017 19:58

These people are not your friends. They sound quite horrid. Stay away from them. I imagine once you distance yourself one of the remaining three will become the new whipping boy and they'll do the same to them.
People like this are so nasty they just can't stop.

AnnabelC · 01/04/2017 19:58

Never be around people who make you feel bad. Choose those who make you feel good. I live by this. There are enough people around to make that choice. Walk away. Good luck.

Bobbi73 · 01/04/2017 20:05

They are way way beyond unkind. They are downright horrible. Take the kids out of the equation and they sound like the mean bullies at school ganging up on someone. Tell them how you feel and walk away. No amount of shared history deserves a character assassination.
Please find some new supportive friends.

Mrsscowell2nd · 01/04/2017 20:08

Interesting that you described these women as your friends- they are far from friends
Teaching you how to wean, organic this that and the other, stop breastfeeding etc these are witches and most definitely NOT your friends
You're doing a great job
Tell them to feck off and shuv their opinions where the monkey stuffs his nuts!
They are simply jealous of you being able to conceive and feed your own children
Get rid of them

RosieRuby · 01/04/2017 20:08

They are clearly jealous, friend A is right to an extent about the head start but not about anything else, friend B is plain spiteful and I guess was the queen bee of your group. I assume friend C has the nanny and in my opinion is not in a position to judge you for your parenting skills when she is paying someone to parent her craved for child....put it into perspective and don't let them intimidate you. If it carries on move on and leave them to it!

Tapandgo · 01/04/2017 20:50

There is a saying - 'you only get put down by your own consent' - Dont consent! Think yourself a good enough parent not to have to rely on their opinions to bring up your own children. You love your children and they are healthy and live you - that's enough. Put distance between yourself and these horrible women - move on before it seriously causes you to doubt yourself.

Tania3 · 01/04/2017 21:03

Wow jugmental.com! those ladies aren't your friends.. find other friends that will support you rather than judge you. Being a mum is hard enough.

mistymeana · 01/04/2017 21:09

Wow, they are utter poison! With "friends" like that you really don't need enemies.. Try to distance yourself and find other people you are more in tune with. I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of any sort of explanation or declaration. The biggest slap down you can give them is to be happy with a new set of loving, supportive friends.

Daydream007 · 01/04/2017 21:35

Cut them off. Women like this are vile and will drain you of all positivity.

Daydream007 · 01/04/2017 21:40

They are jealous that you conceived naturally. Jealous people are dangerous. Keep away from such negative people

Glamorousglitter · 01/04/2017 21:53

Another chiming in - they are unbelievable. But you are silly too to keep putting yourself and your children in the path of such unkindness - what lesson does it teach them about friendships and how hey should value themselves self worth and self respect and resilience ?
Soon they will not be immune to those criticism s and they will pick up on them. You ve got your head screwed on, my gues is that you put up with this rubbish for so long because it doesn't actually cut in on you that much and you are able to rise above it. But your kids might be more vulnerable stages than that. It s better tomodel positive friendships.
Give them a wide berth, find new friends and have lovely positive experiences for you and your dc making nice new memories !

SugaredSocks · 01/04/2017 22:25

Time and experience change us and not always for the better. They are not your friends anymore. Their bitterness and resentment will only continue to fester and grow. Without realising by putting yourself down etc you are actively feeding it and telling them how they treat you is acceptable. You sound like a lovely lady and you shouldn't be punished for habjng your children naturally or bulled into believing other people's points of view. You deserve so much better. Walk away from them now before it's too late and you loose sight of who you are. I know it's not so easy to make friends as we get older but fenemies are even worse than no one.

SugaredSocks · 01/04/2017 22:26

*having not habjng

allthingslipsticks · 01/04/2017 22:40

I urge you to lose these 'friends' of yours OP. It's rather sad that they have to make you feel like that becuase of their own insecurities. Don't let them get you down - find some new friends ASAP.

Lulabell1979 · 01/04/2017 23:59

Vile people. Tell the naturopath to get a proper job!

buttercup54321 · 02/04/2017 00:08

They sound awful. Drop them and find some nice friends xx

Kerileegray · 02/04/2017 02:53

It sounds as though these women stopped being your friend a long time ago. Through time people change and we all don't change together. Regardless of how long you have been friends once you realise that some people are ' 'seasonal' it will be easier to let go of the time sentiment of your friendship. Just think, if they say all of this to you imagine what they say about you behind your back! You need to find some new friends, consider joining some mother and child groups so that you can network and find nicer people to spend your time with. Life is too short to spend it with people who don't have your back. Friends are supposed to lift each other up not make them feel how you are feeling right now. If you continue to be around them you might start to question yourself as a parent/person and that's a downward slope from there.