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We should stand up for women by bringing down UK Punting...

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bringdownUKP · 21/03/2017 16:08

Over the course of a couple of threads recently my attention has been brought to the site UK Punting.

Basically where 'punters' go to rate working girl's and (the married ones) laugh about their wives and swap tips on how to avoid detection.

Apparently the poor little lambs can't help themselves.

Take a look for yourselves: www. ukpunting. com

AIBU that those of us who are genuinely pissed off with the misogynistic bullshit half of the users spout on there should set up fake profiles (not using your usual email address) and spam the shit of them?

And this isn't against WGs....you can do what you like with your body. It's the disgusting human beings that are cheating on their wives and partners and being smug thinking it's a bloody game...

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Scotschic · 22/09/2017 04:57

Even if we cannot get UKP closed down then surely we should be able to make sure 100% that addresses & pictures of girls are not allowed on the site, maybe a solicitor can help.

NewDayNewMe · 11/10/2017 17:50

Hello Everyone
Popping back to say hello and thank everyone for their support when I found out OH was contributing to UK Punting. Life is now very good (without OH). Those that were appalled by that site (I was stunned that this sort of thing existed and horrified x-OH was a part of it) may like to know about a petition to close it down. Hope it's ok to put link for those interested in supporting it www.change.org/p/home-office-shut-down-uk-punting-forum-site.
Some interesting petitions on change.org for good causes.

Now I'm in a better place and enjoying my fresh start I look forward to chatting to you all here.

Whitenight · 20/01/2018 21:43

Hi all. I’ve recently been informed of a thread on ukpunting by a colleague who thinks it the best thing ever. I couldn’t believe it’s true but sadly when looking myself it was. I don’t know if anything can be done but pretty sure the content is illegal and maybe someone here can do something to close this site down or at least bring criminal charges against some posters. I haven’t provided a link as of yet as not sure if that’s allowed but happy to do so.

Basically the thread is about taking covert pictures of women out in public focusing more on certain body parts and then discussing what they would do to said women. They clearly haven’t had permission to take photos and some of them are very pervy and worrying to say the least.

Hope this helps you plight not sure what else I can say but will answer and help with any enquiries.

Many thanks. WN

Scotschic · 21/01/2018 14:52

Omg that is disgusting and very illegal in my opinion. Men, well some men, are perverted saddos and paying for sex is the worst thing ever and I'm a sex worker so I know what these bastards are like. The delusions of men that pay for sex are unbelievable Tbh, even when I tell them it's about the money they then say 'Well some of the girls like it', their fragile egos can't seem to accept that they are most likely just an electricity bill to the girl they are paying. Lots of my regulars think I like the sex but I'm just a damn good actress like most sex workers. It's only men that pay for sex, who believe we like the job, everyone else knows the truth.

They are pathetic creatures.

Andrewofgg · 21/01/2018 14:58

I don’t want there to be a way for Authority to bring down any website unless its contents are indisputably illegal and harmful. That’s a dangerous power.

Andrewofgg · 21/01/2018 15:02

Sorry - I did not RTFT. Possibly illegal and certainly harmful although who will bring it down and how I don’t pretend to know.

ForalltheSaints · 21/01/2018 16:21

Harriet Harman campaigned a few years ago against a site where men reviewed women whom they had paid for sex with- is this the one or a different one?

Maybe if it is a different one then alerting her might be a step forward? Regardless of your views on the 'oldest profession' it seems that allowing men to claim a sexual 'service' has been provided that is not on offer puts the women concerned in more danger than would be the case otherwise.

TrinitySquirrel · 21/01/2018 16:30

You do not need permission to take photos of people in public. Regardless of what your intent is with them unless it is to profit.

TrinitySquirrel · 21/01/2018 16:32

@Scotschic I know plenty of sex workers who do enjoy their work. Maybe they're just lucky enough to have nicer, less naive punters.

They get down about it occasionally but only because of how they feel judged.

Unless you have a pimp I'd suggest you pick better johns than all and sundry.

Scotschic · 23/01/2018 14:22

TrinitySquirrel: you don't know what your talking about, you must be a punter as it's only punters that believe girls like this job!! They like the cash but actually having sex with men they don't fancy in exchange for cash? Nah they don't like it.

The majority of the punters believe that the sex is why the girls do their job, whether they're nice or not. Unless your a female sex worker, or you've been one, then you have no idea what your talking about, believe me.

I got told, when I first started working, 'when the clients ask you why you do the job then say its for the sex as they don't like hearing that its the cash'.

I've met 2 girls in 13 years that say they like the job and they're clearly warped, maybe no one fancied them at school and they can't believe that men pay them for sex.

Keep believing what you will.

PakistaniDude · 22/02/2018 17:02

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SignoraStronza · 22/02/2018 17:09

Aw, you speak a bit of Italian do you? You seem so proud of yourself.

Cherrypie69xxx · 25/02/2018 11:08

Hiya all, I came across this thread in an attempt to find a way to do something about posts written about escorts on UK Punting. I am an escort my self, I am happily married and have 2 children with my husband. He knows what I do as we discussed it at great length. After being swingers for some time, we decided to try to make a make money through our fun that also fits in around our family and so far, it is going really well.
I came across UK Punting because I had someone I know inform me that I had discussion about me, so the curious orange that I am, I had a look, only to discover that it was a discussion from men who I have never met, and to be honest, I hope I never do. They come across and mindless bullys. I have no problems with people giving negative feedback, so long as it's constructive, however, these men have full on discussions over nothing! Surely there is some legality to making false allegations that can damaged someones personal and/or professional life.... Oh wait, there is, slander!
It got me thinking, there needs to be a website created for escort, where they can discuss clients... Those that are aggressive or abusive, either physically or verbally, time wasters as well as being able to share phone numbers so it makes things safer and easier for working girls.
I asked my husband to try and leave a positive review about me to put these gossiping boys to bed, but he got kicked off the site for being a fluffer!? Which is someone who likes escorts apparently. This speaks volumes in my eyes about what kind of site, and people are on the site.
Things might be different if working girls could answer questions or queries and join discussions with the punters.
Anyway, I wanna say thanks for showing some support for women like me.
Many thanks
Cherry xxx

Follyfoot · 25/02/2018 11:35

I have no problems with people giving negative feedback, so long as it's constructive

What on earth could a man who pays for sex with women say about his experience that could ever be constructive?

Jesus christ I despair, I really do. Oh and petition signed.

balsamicbarbara · 25/02/2018 11:38

Because of course it'd be better if these weirdos had no sexual outlet and were prowling our streets. Not.

DeleteOrDecay · 25/02/2018 14:12

But they ARE prowling the streets. As well as shit posting on the internet about women.

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DeleteOrDecay · 27/02/2018 11:20

No point posting here, UKPunting and Mumsnet are clearly in bed with each other.

Elaborate?

Mogleflop · 27/02/2018 11:25

Cryptic. Confused

You can't post someone's personal details online for a virtual lynching if that's what you tried.

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SersioulycanitgetWORSE · 27/02/2018 12:09

Only skim read I feel so naive.

YesItProbablyCan · 10/03/2018 23:58

I've read quite a lot of the posts on this thread. There has been a break since the last one but I wanted to add my own two cents.

I do not really know much about the site from the original post but I do have some limited related personal experience. A few months ago I visited a prostitute. I am pondlife scum, I know, and my thoughts are probably not worthy of anyone's attention but I am going to give them.

I am quite socially isolated and lonely. I am trying to change this but I find social interaction very difficult and frustrating. In the time just before I visited a prostitute I was feeling particularly low, I was not suicidal but I was thinking about death quite a lot. I felt in need of some physical contact with another human being. I found someone on the site AdultWork. I do not know the details of her circumstances but she was British, older than me and working from her own house. I felt that she was doing it of her own free will.

I will not go into detail about the meeting but it was perfunctory. I did not really find her very attractive and she did not really try to pretend she found me attractive. We were both just going through the motions. It was very polite and not very erotic. Nevertheless, it had quite a strong positive effect on my mental state. I am hardly happy and contented now but I have not slipped back into quite as dark a place since.

I do sometimes feel disgust at myself for doing it but I would not rule out doing it again. I would much prefer to have a meaningful relationship but that does not currently seem like an option for me.

The attitudes of some of the posters on UKP are awful but they are not restricted to men who use prostitutes. I have heard very misogynistic views from plenty of men who would not. Some of the posters on UKP are very delusional but everyone is guilty of hypocrisy and self-delusion.

I am unsure what I think about prostitution. From my experience, reading things written by people with a lot more experience than me, and looking at other profiles on AdultWork, I am convinced that there are some women who do it through choice, not in desperation. The insistence that they must always be forced by circumstances is probably insulting to some and rather disingenuous, coming from a moral objection in principle to the selling of sex. The majority of people spend a lot of their lives doing things they would not choose in an ideal world to earn a living. Equally there are some profiles on AdultWork that are questionable or definitely set off alarm bells.

Exploitation is reprehensible but our society's current ambivalent approach to prostitution does not help. The grey areas are ripe for, well, exploitation. We need to go one way or the other, either complete prohibition, strictly enforced or acceptance so that things can be a lot more out in the open. As it is, it is legal to pay somebody for sex. Another poster pointed out that nobody has a right to have sex but some people can only have sex by paying for it. It is legal for them to do it and going without sex or physical contact with other human beings for a long time is not good for mental health so perhaps it is not the worst thing in the world that they do it. Clearly they are by definition and probably by their own admission sad and pathetic but perhaps not scum.

Stovokororbust · 11/03/2018 00:09

So very glad we are not campaigning to bring down the gentle art of punting along the river with a picnic basket.

DeleteOrDecay · 11/03/2018 15:28

I don't know where to start with your post Yes. Your whole reasoning has been heard before and all you're doing is justifying it to yourself by playing the 'poor me' card. Like it or not by using a prostitute you have paid for 'consent' (so not genuine consent), you paid to use her body as a wank sock. You're not fooling anybody here.

You keep telling yourself that the majority of women choose prostitution and that makes it ok. Forget about the minority of women who are forced either by others or through financial hardship.

There's a reason why there aren't as many Male prostitutes, a couple actually. The first one is less supply, I don't know any women who would consider paying a man for sex or using a male escort, I do how ever know a handful of men who have used prostitutes. Men as a class feel entitled to sex. Secondly, women who are in poverty feel they have no other option to keep a roof over their head. Is that a real choice? Men don't usually resort to selling their body when in financial hardship, they are often less likely to be in financial hardship in the first place.

No woman leaves school and decides her life's goal is to sell sex to men. No one. There are usually pretty grim circumstances, sometimes stemming from childhood, that leads them to it.

I'm sorry you're in a dark place mentally, but using women in this way is not the answer. You need to seek professional help from your issues. Many women feel the way you do and do not resort to buying sex from vulnerable men.

I strongly disagree that just because a few appear to do it through choice that that makes it ok for you to do. You can't possibly know whether they genuinely choose to do it or not, or what has lead them down this path. I don't care how 'nice guy' you are. It's not ok to do what you did.

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