We should stand up for women by bringing down UK Punting...

[bringdownUKP]

Over the course of a couple of threads recently my attention has been brought to the site UK Punting.

Basically where 'punters' go to rate working girl's and (the married ones) laugh about their wives and swap tips on how to avoid detection.

Apparently the poor little lambs can't help themselves.

Take a look for yourselves: www. ukpunting. com

AIBU that those of us who are genuinely pissed off with the misogynistic bullshit half of the users spout on there should set up fake profiles (not using your usual email address) and spam the shit of them?

And this isn't against WGs....you can do what you like with your body. It's the disgusting human beings that are cheating on their wives and partners and being smug thinking it's a bloody game...

Hi - looks like this topic may have been rather done to death but I felt compelled to voice my two cents :). I was quite suprised and a little disturbed to see the level of vitriol directed at the UK Punting site; of course it attracts some unpleasnt misogynists (like every other website in existence) but some of the comments I've read above are more extreme that anything I've personally seen on it myself.

What's easy to overlook is the fact that one of the primary functions is try and ensure the safety of both users and servic providers of the AW site. Recently one of the girls who advertised on the site lured clients to a secluded area where they were violently beaten and robbed by the girls male associate - despite the fact this went on for months no warnings ever appeared on the AW site itself (despite many protests from service users) and UK punting was able to ensure that people were given fair warning. Similarly, quite a number of girls are active contributors and also benefit in the same way.
Its also easy to overlook the fact that the internet has in fact made the lives of service providers on sites like Adultwork, overwhelmingly safer and allowed them to take control of their working lives without the constant threat of violence from the vicious bottom feeders that have always preyed on them.
Also (and God knows I'm becoming long winded) when I read the above anger I didn't come across a single reference to the fact that there are a huge number of male escorts that provided services to both the male and female market - why is there no vitriol being directed at them? Or people with disabilities (particularly those who are housebound) and can now check the backgrounds of any girls/boys they may wish to employ using sites like UKP and can then look forward to a safe and pleasurable interaction. Of course people rate service providers in any field - there's google reviews for just about everything now and whilt I do agree that they can be overly grapic for many (me included) I've read just as brutal comments about certain music teachers on a musicians forum I contribute to.
Lastly (If you're still awake or havent died from boredom) I mean no offence to anyone to point out a rather obvious point that if you really feel your marriage or relationiship is threated by sites like these I'm afraid that you're definitely pointing a finger in the wrong direction and perhaps a little examination of things closer to home would prove far more useful - after all it's not called the oldest profession for nothing and was around for quite some time before these websites came into being.

I am struggling a little to understand the venom directed against those who inhabit that website. As someone else said, not all women are traficked victims. Many actively choose to sell sex because it is their chosen way of earning a living. After making money that way i guess it would be hard for them to join the 9 to 5. Essentially for many both prostitute and customer, its a lifestyle choice.

I don't think women should be for sale , hope that answers all your points.

Please look into the statistics with regard to the percentage of women who are prostitutes who have experienced child sexual abuse. Worth thinking about don't you think.

There are many things that i dont agree with and would like to end/change but the law of the land permits a woman to sell her body for sex and therefore it is their personal choice. If they have some issue such as drugs,alcohol etc then it is for them to seek help through the normal channels.

What about men who sell their bodies for sex?

If you're struggling to understand then I suggest you do some basic research and come back when you're a bit more clued up on how prostitution actually affects women. Both those involved in it and in wider society.

It's very sad that some punters got turned over, Pougie, but in your naval gazing waffle you've forgotten to mention how often violent crime is perpetrated against prostitutes and women in general. My marriage isn't at threat from UK punting, my status and safety as a woman is. You're right the exploitation of women has been around for a very very long time!

Interesting to read your response FlyElbows - after all robust debate is the cornerstone of any democracy; I must admit to being a bit confused (and a little flattered) of being accused of 'naval gazing' - does this refer to ships or my belly button?

I understand that this is an emotive topic but with respect I'm not sure you actually read much of my post (and can't say I blame you for that) but one of the main points I was trying to make was exactly what you accuse me of ignoring - "Its also easy to overlook the fact that the internet has in fact made the lives of service providers on sites like Adultwork, overwhelmingly safer and allowed them to take control of their working lives without the constant threat of violence from the vicious bottom feeders that have always preyed on them."

I also noted that as TDHManchester also points out prositution is absolutely not something that solely involves women - since the earliest recorded history it is a profession that is not gender specific. To stereotype people involved in the sex industry as being abused children, drug addicts or alcoholics is pretty insulting to the huge number of workers who have made an informed choice and enjoy their line of work (sometimes at least). Of course there are some to whom the stereotype will apply ( as it does to a number of solicitors, police officers and teachers, etc) but I am not 'struggling to understand' at all - I am intimately acquainted with how the profession can affect people, and the sex industry is so broad and multi - faceted that (going only from my personal experience) casting those who work within it as victims of this nature is a accurate as stating that street drinkers clutching a can of special brew represent everyone who drinks alcohol.

Again, I'm absolutely not just trying to upset you but both TDHManchester and myself note that both you and all the other posters point blank refuse to even acknowledge or address the fact that a huge number of men work in the sex industry; and that is hardly unique to this forum. I don't think it's any coincidence that the cornerstone of most major religions is that female sexuality should be a cause for shame - hence the ugly term prostitue or whore is still applied to women in the most disgusting fashion, whereas the male equivalent tends to be used in a generally comic or jovial sense.
Also, how on earth is you 'status' and your 'safety' affected from websites like AW or UKP?! I don't follow you here at all. And the exploitation of ALL people has been around since the start of time.

p.s My flat mate in london worked as a high society escort for a number of years and she often earned between £2000-£5000 per appoinment. She never made any physical contact with her (often rather well known) clientiele other than to spank them with a cane while they often dressed as schoolboys. Can any member of this forum honestly say that they would turn down the opportunity to take a cane to a deviant politicians bottom and get paid thousands of pounds for the privilege or instead work for minimum wage in a soul destroying call centre - I know which I'd choose :)

I did read your post, Pougie, but I'm not reading that essay because your self deprecating rubbish is like nails down a blackboard. We'll just agree to disagree, eh?

Ok FlyingElbows - you're clearly just obssessed with making vicious personal attacks on anyone who doesn't agree with your extremely unpleasant and blinkered view of the world. So allow me to reciprocate - obviously you'd deny it til your blue in the face but the truth is that you clearly wish harm upon women whom you regard as 'whores' and as such you're determined to rubbish anything which might make their lives safer. Also, you're obviously sexist in the extreme - oh woe is you because only women can suffer and only you understand true suffering you poor dear.

Agree to disagree?! I thanks the gods I don't agree with anything about you - I've written this very slowly because you obviously struggle to read but as for being 'self deprecating' I'm afraid you're barking up the wrong tree - I was trying not to embarass you for being too dumb to even spell navel correctly (but unsurprisingly that went right over your head and you had to lash out again).

you clearly wish harm upon women

FFS. Nothing FlyingElbows or indeed any woman posting here has wished harm on the women involved in prostitution.

I'm fucking tired of women being blamed for male violence.

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If you remove all the women from prostitution who; were sexually abused as children, are addicted to something, are in extreme financial need, were trafficked, started before 18 (see the first point), have a pimp and have other choices, I think we could actually see what kind of feminist, sexually liberated choice it is.

I have spend a lot of time with a lot of sex workers and I don't think I've met one who didn't fall into one of those categories.

*don't have

vicious personal attacks

Where?

Found it

It was the 'self deprecating rubbish' wasnt it

Yep vicious

I hate this attitude that all women who work as prostitutes have no free choice or personal capacity... it's quite insulting. OK so SOME women are trafficked and SOME women are on drugs (still a choice on one level) but in saunas they don't usually allow women who are obviously on drugs so what about them? For most sex workers, it is a choice they've made and that's up to them but don't all lets say they have no choice. That's quite insulting to those women IMHO.

If a woman wants to sell sex and a man wants to buy it, let them get on with it. If he's breaking his marriage vows, he's a bastard but he would be if he had a one night stand also.

Pougie's posts remind me of the way men write/speak to me when they're sealioning me. (wondermark.com/1k62/)

@maggiethemagpie I get that. But having seen teenaged rent boys with men who have sexual offences against children and a women crying because she had to work that night (she subsequently died of an overdose) and read the 'bad dates' file full of warnings from one women to another about violent punters, I'm less inclined to think it's all a free choice.

Is anything in life a free choice then?

That's a philosophical question!

Another philosophical question is whether consent that is bought knowing that the person may well be trafficked/pimped; is that actually consent?

My goodness what a veritable hornets nest has been stirred up by daring to ask a few rather obvious questions - how disconcerting!

With many honorable exceptions such as Manchester and Maggie there do the rest of you actually read (and possibly even consider) what posters have written before furiously penning a vitriolic response - because I notice that none of you have yet to answer or even acknowlege a single point that we've mentioned - but obviously we're the bad guys here.

As a probably pointless last effort before signing off though ..

Mrs Terry - I'm not arguing with what you're saying but you're twisting what I wrote - I worked for many years with homeless drug users - but they did not reflect the whole picture regarding drug users as a whole. The point I was making is that these websites that some posters seem obssessed with attacking UNDOUBTEDLY make the lives of those involved in the sex industry much safer - there's an overwhelming amount of evidence to support this and many Police forces have acknowleged the truth to this.

Rufustheverylongname - if you can't distinguish a personal attack from a reasoned debate allow me to assist you - I'll just paraphrase the remarks levelled at me because they seem so apt to respond to you "you know nothing and are completely ignorant - I won't reply to anything you've written because I can't so I'll just say that you're very boring and anything you write (and even your name) makes me sick to my stomach" - There you go Rufus - did you manage to find that one ok dear?

Tinyrick - you just come across as quite a nasty piece of work trying to prove what a wonderful human being you are so best left alone

Binary - Thanks for making me a man - I'm off to wee against a wall - hurrah! And I'm afraid I've no idea what sealioning is - I hope it doesnt hurt you too much though - just remember to use lubrication where necessary.

p.s Please feel free to keep the vitriol coming though- just becase I wont be reading it doesn't mean it isnt a valuable use of your time.

Veritable hornets nest

You do have a lovely way with words

Where is the sick one?

Missed that so apologies

Though why does your name make her sick...does it mean something?

binary did not call you a man

She said you sound like men who have sealioned her

I assume the tone of your posts is the issue for her...or him, i have no idea what sex binary is

@Pougie I wasn't engaging with what you wrote, I was writing about my own experiences. I literally didn't read your posts all the way through. I've started to do that when a post is very long. Because I think this is a conversation and very long posts make me think of people who talk at other people.

And you're not here much if you think this is vitriol. Try asking about parking or weddings!

Oh i see where the confusion is

I was referring to personal attacks made on you...i will have a look for them

I dont think 'i find you boring and i dont like your user name' is a personal attack...

Its more an opinion