Betrayed by TM.

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We are being led down the path by TM who is now propsing to simply adopt every EU regulation, statute and Law wholesale.

We are beset by EU allergies directives, EU waste directives, EU working time directives, EU this EU that EeU fisheres directives...... We were told we can be a sovereign country if we leave the EU.

We were not told we will have to adopt every EU law wholesale.. We don't have to adopt them. We can and should create laws that meet our needs not paper pushers in Brussels.

Hard brexit can't wait they charge us export tariffs so we charge import tariffs we import more so we make more money. Don't see the problem with that. We import more crap from china than the eu. And the migrant workers who come from non eu countries are just as good if not better. Will level the playing field for all migrants.

but to deal with other nations around the world the normal way instead

What is the "normal" way?

Country by country, when you could have the weight of a huge economic block behind you? And that will surpass you in future negotiations?

Easyjet is already looking to relocate to the EU, for example.

I'm in my 50s and don't remember a time when MP after MP stood up and said "This is economic suicide. This is nuts. We're doing it!"

I think the MPs' expenses scandal has a lot to do with it. They're now 'frit' of the electorate, and think that they have to deliver this or they, personally, will be voted out. Not comprehending that things move fast and already half the Leavers are probably regretting it and might respect them more if they'd not decided to be a bunch of lemmings.

And all this at a time when there is no opposition. If Corbyn united with the Greens and Liberals - and then gunned for every new idiocy - any opposition of the past 100 years would be having a field day right now. Instead... nothing.

I'm bored of being told Remainers are 'whining' as well. Are we suppsoed to be silent whilst our government crashes our entire society? I guess Leavers will start with Trump's Fake News tactic next.

On a separate note.... Someone needs to buy the infamous Leave campaign NHS Battle Bus and paint the truth on it.

"You voted Leave. You, personally, yes YOU, have killed the NHS. Happy?"

Err, Brexiters want less immigration. May has made Brexit all about immigration.

Interesting political parallels between TM and Erdogan in the way they address and mobilise "the will of the people". Same demographic sectors.

Oh no, just though OP did you fall for the lie that half of Turkey was coming over to the UK too? That was their politics not their people

I would rather work together with Europe on research, science, environment etc.

If we like the EU's environmental regulations then we can decide to keep them.

Non-EU countries, such as Norway, Israel and Switzerland, can and do take part in EU scientific projects. As an "Associate Partner" country we could pay to take part only in the schemes we choose, with money saved from not giving it to the EU in the first place.

"Working together" with other countries definitely does not require political union. You don't need a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

Brexiters have thrown the baby out with bathwater. They hate globalisation but under Brexit they will get more of it.

Exactly. We'll have trade deals with India, Pakistan and China instead and our rights and regulations will have to adapt to compete with these.

Even as a Leave voter this is hard to understand ... did anyone somehow think we'd press the Brexit button and have a bright, shiny new body of law overnight?

As PPs have said, there simply isn't time to draft new laws left, right and centre before leaving ... better, surely, to accept what we have for now, then work on changing whatever parts we want to over time, knowing we can then do so without undue EU interference?

We'll have trade deals with India, Pakistan and China instead and our rights and regulations will have to adapt to compete with these.

So, the UK will allow sweat shops and sell products with nasty chemicals?

The UK will fall behind in research etc due to years of uncertainty.

I can understand when people have a clear and realistic idea of what type of Brexit they want.
Fine if you don't want political union, but are happy with economic links.

It's the "but I feel betrayed that we're keeping the laws for now" or "we'll make great individual deals" type that baffles me.

India and Australia have been very public regarding their requirements for trade deals with post brexit uk.

India trade visit went down like a lead balloon.

Australian government is also actively encouraging Australian firms based in the UK to relocate to Ireland to maintain EU access.

Australia's government also stated prior to the referendum that this was their position.

Just saying.

IIRC India wanted relaxed visa requirements. May subsequently ran for the hills because the headbangers would never allow it.

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Those countries will be worried because nobody knows what the trade relationships between the EU and the UK will be.

Had the UK gone with a properly planned Brexit that gave them political independence, but maintained trade union, I bet no companies would feel the need to relocate.

Just saying.

She’s not coming back because she can’t answer the questions that are being asked. she’s just had an internet ass kicking.

OP's a man. Hilarious that he's only come back once with an exceptionally silly whinge about allergy labelling.

The vote to leave will not be reversed, so instead of moaning about it...

Brexiters spent 40 years moaning about the previous EU referendum. Why are they so scared of allowing freedom of speech to remainers?

Common theme, brexiters unwilling to answer questions and running off.

Ah, OP, if you don't like it here, why don't you go and live somewhere where the allergy labelling laws are more to your taste, rather than staying here and bitching about it.

Oh wait. Sorry. I forgot for a moment that only Leavers are allowed to make that suggestion to Remainers and immigrants like me. While using slightly less temperate language.

Non-EU countries, such as Norway, Israel and Switzerland, can and do take part in EU scientific projects. As an "Associate Partner" country we could pay to take part only in the schemes we choose, with money saved from not giving it to the EU in the first place.

I am assuming from this ignorant statement that you know nothing about EU and ERC funding. The countries you mentioned cannot co-ordinate any research projects. They cannot just be a partner on any of the different columns of excellence in H2020 - they can only be a partner within certain research areas (and that excludes the majority of scientific and medical research undertaken in the UK particularly that undertaken in Universities). Also most consortiums do not like having partners from the countries you mentioned due the admin headaches caused by having them on research proposals.

Believe me this is one area where I know exactly what I am taking about,

I think this post is to get remainers worked up

I dont believe its been posted in good faith

Ah Rufus. You may well be correct. But it's also been quite relaxing, cathartic even, for me, so there's that

Peter Lilley summarised it well in his article The truth about Britain's trade outside the European Union

He points out that our net contribution to the EU is equivalent to a 7 per cent tariff. In the event of us leaving the EU with no trade deal (which might not happen anyway), EU tariffs on our exports would average just 2.4 per cent.

Many goods in our shops are from countries with which we don't have a trade deal. "They are not essential now tariffs between developed countries are so low."

The EU is the biggest trading block in the world. Who is throwing the baby out with the bath water now? New trade deals will take years to negotiate.

Ghost, EU deals take a very long time due to all 28 (soon 27) members having a veto on their negotiations. As Lilley reports, "Bilateral deals are simpler, quicker and more comprehensive".

There's also no need whatsoever for the insistence on political union from a "trading bloc". The same goes for product standards.

The Single Market is not closed off to non-EU members. Every country has access to the Single Market, tariffs or not. "British exports to the EU have grown less rapidly since the Single Market than they did before... and much less than non-EU countries’ exports!"

"But outside the EU we will be able to negotiate speedily the really worthwhile deals to access fast growing protected markets such as China, India and Brazil which the EU has ignored."

We are being led down the path by TM who is now propsing to simply adopt every EU regulation, statute and Law wholesale.

Good for her.

She should do this anyway but it has the added bonus it will vastly irritate Sturgeon as Sturgeon can't then complain Scotland is losing these protections.

Good result all round.

Rufus, this poster has posted in similar vein on other EU threads, so I think he means exactly what he says.

Get a grip, OP. You have to retain all the laws during the negotiation period, there is literally no other way of getting this through safely. I'm a remoaner myself, but crediting the Brexit gov which I didn't vote for with a little bit of intelligence.