Betrayed by TM.

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We are being led down the path by TM who is now propsing to simply adopt every EU regulation, statute and Law wholesale.

We are beset by EU allergies directives, EU waste directives, EU working time directives, EU this EU that EeU fisheres directives...... We were told we can be a sovereign country if we leave the EU.

We were not told we will have to adopt every EU law wholesale.. We don't have to adopt them. We can and should create laws that meet our needs not paper pushers in Brussels.

The vote to leave will not be reversed, so instead of moaning about it, why not direct your energy into lobbying TM and your local MP to what could be put into Brexit plans to make it more palatable for you?

Such as keeping good EU related laws? Keep freedom of circulation? Keep contributing towards science programmes? Keep free trade?

and sigh.

I think leave voters in northern areas actually thought the mines and factories would be reopened

Oddly, the very people who call educated/intelligent people 'snowflakes', are the first to be snowflakes., A mealy mouthed cry to 'unite' behind something bad is of course, being the ultimate snowflake thing anyone could do.

YABU. Keeping the EU rules at first, and gradually changing any which don't suit what our country needs, is exactly the right way to go about it. It is quite possible that Britain could well be ahead of the EU in many areas now, had we not joined. However, in the situation we now find ourselves, there's no point throwing the baby out of the bathwater, by getting rid of a sensible rule on the environment, workers rights etc. and then re-inventing it later.

Personally I am happy with a hard Brexit too if it comes to that. "No deal" in this context is not a bad thing, it's a great weight lifted and a fresh start.

Leavers deserve to be bullied. They've sold us all down the river.

I hope you're only speaking for a tiny minority of Remainers. Many Leavers feel very strongly that the EU sold us down the river, and that the Remain side would do so even more as the "reformed" EU clunks onwards, but I haven't seen anyone say the 48 percent "deserve to be bullied" What do you hope to achieve by bullying people?

Unlike general elections Brexit cannot be kicked out after 5 years. Brexshit is for life.

It is quite possible that Britain could well be ahead of the EU in many areas now, had we not joined.

Such as?

In terms of law, the UK always had the power to go beyond what the EU decided.

Paper pushers in brussels? Grow up. If you're that keen to make a change in the world do what they do, you may need to spend less time copying daily mail articles onto mumsnet though.

Joffrey I could not agree with you more.

Brexiters have thrown the baby out with bathwater. They hate globalisation but under Brexit they will get more of it. Austerity isn't good for UK but that had nothing to go with EU.

I agree that Leavers don't deserve to be bullied.

They do deserve to be told they are responsible for the consequences of Brexit, though.

The OP started this thread and hasn't come back to back her position (apart from one flimsy attempt to say we don't need sugar content labels).

May was gutless to go along with it. The Leave campaign said clearly that if it had been 48/52% the other way, they'd have continued to fight for their right to have curly cucumber. It was only advisory. Etc etc.

May will destabilise Northern Ireland's peace agreement, has already destabilised the whole of Europe, will end up selling off bits of the NHS to US insurance companies, so effectively kill the NHS - all because she was too spineless to say "We looked at this. It won't work."

Let's not forget that at the next GE.

I don't think it's helpful to label all Leave voters as thick and/or racist. That's just playing into their hands.
I personally hold Camoron ultimately responsible for this mess. Something as massively complex as this should never have been put to a binary vote. Referenda are fine for deciding whether to change your flag or National anthem. Not for something as huge as this and having absolutely no plan in the event of the electorate deciding to leave is completely indefensible.
This really sums up the farcical nature of the whole referendum debacle.

But OP, what else can she do? You want to make your own laws just to prove that you are a sovereign country? why abandon things that are good for us anyway? Besides, like others have pointed out, the brexiteers were always going to make the plan as they went so what's all the fuss about? It's your own politicians deciding your own laws in your own country that can't be vetoed by EU. Didn't you want this?

Austerity isn't good for UK but that had nothing to go with EU.

And quite a lot to do with the, ahem, US, and lack of financial regulations in the UK too.

personally hold Camoron ultimately responsible for this mess.

That's a cop out. People voted Cameron in. People voted for Brexit.

It's time people start taking responsibility for their own decisions.

Who would vote for something that had no plan?

What is the EU's plan? Do you know what it will be like in a few years or decades? How do you intend to influence this outcome, and can you guarantee it?

There never was a "status quo" option either way.

People voted to leave the EU despite the future being unclear, because for whatever reason, they felt so strongly that they preferred uncertainty outside the EU than uncertainty within the EU.

So, OP nothing else to say?

Or were all the big words on this thread too confusing for you?

I certainly think TM considers Leave voters to be thick and racist. Every speech she makes panders to and feeds off xenophobia and blind ignorance.

Frankly, she's loving it.

They do deserve to be told they are responsible for the consequences of Brexit, though.* - Yes

I don't think it's helpful to label all Leave voters as thick and/or racist.

• The overwhelming majority are thick though. How many leavers have presented coherent, informed arguments for their vote?

What is the EU's plan? Do you know what it will be like in a few years or decades?
I'm, try google. They plan. They plan a lot. They're about to head into a massive lot of budget planning for the next 5 year session. For this, they need plans or they leave black holes in budgets. Like TM is about to do.

I would rather work together with Europe on research, science, environment etc. UK has always been the pain in the arse partner in the EU. Brexiters can now enjoy the uncertainty of higher food prices and less job opportunities.

Not sure uncertainty about the EU is a valid factor.

Surely, if the EU decided to become a federation, for example, then the UK could easily decide not to go that route.

Nobody knows what will happen in anything in 10 or 20 years anyway.

They hate globalisation but under Brexit they will get more of it.

No, they don't "hate globalisation". They didn't want to continue with the EU's methods of globalisation, with its bizarre and unnecessary insistence on political union, but to deal with other nations around the world the normal way instead.

I know a bit about science planning in the EU.
We are still under the Horizon 2020 plan, while drafting the plan for the following years.

What are the science funding plans by the UK?

The EU is the biggest trading block in the world. Who is throwing the baby out with the bath water now? New trade deals will take years to negotiate.