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Betrayed by TM.

416 replies

Itisnoteasybeingdifferent · 19/03/2017 08:29

We are being led down the path by TM who is now propsing to simply adopt every EU regulation, statute and Law wholesale.

We are beset by EU allergies directives, EU waste directives, EU working time directives, EU this EU that EeU fisheres directives...... We were told we can be a sovereign country if we leave the EU.

We were not told we will have to adopt every EU law wholesale.. We don't have to adopt them. We can and should create laws that meet our needs not paper pushers in Brussels.

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prh47bridge · 19/03/2017 12:42

No-one is betraying you.

We cannot simply repeal all existing EU legislation wholesale. A lot of our own legislation depends on it. It will take time and needs to be done carefully so that we don't end up with a complete mess. The great repeal bill will transpose EU law into domestic law. It is then up to parliament which bits to keep long term and which to remove. We will no longer be subject to the ECJ. Decisions will be made by parliament. And any new EU legislation will not apply in the UK, although it will, of course, be open to parliament to pass similar legislation in the UK.

olliegarchy99 · 19/03/2017 12:43

OP - I know you are being facetious as you are so blinded by what the leave vote meant. Theresa May said at the outset that all the laws currently on the statute book would remain (that included most laws based on the EU regulations) to be reviewed as it became necessary.
OP I think you are really a remainer trying (and failing as most people can see through you) to besmirch the intelligence and nous of the majority of leave voters Hmm

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 19/03/2017 12:44

How hijacked? It would be helpful if the OP did come back to explain her position on the bad bad laws

This OP has also been posting on Scottish independence threads telling me that he/she knows what a "Scot" thinks because he/ she has spoken to "Scots" and "locals"

As far as I could make sense of their posts I seem either not to be a "Scot" and/or have inadequate reasons to vote No to independence. So generally an explanation would be nice.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 19/03/2017 12:45

meg

I lurk on the eu threads

I agree with you that he believes it

But this could have been posted on the threads already in that topic or a new thread started

I just think he is stirring...but thats just my opinion.

If he was continuing to post i wouldnt be thinking this Smile

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 19/03/2017 12:46

ollie

I dont think the poster is a remainer

user1488581876 · 19/03/2017 12:50

The point made by supporters of Brexit is that the UK is now free to sign trade agreements with countries such as India.

If the UK signs a FTA trade deal with India, UK service companies will have to compete directly with Indian service suppliers as India are demanding Mode 4 access for its service suppliers to the UK as part of the trade deal. This includes ‘Contractual Service Suppliers’, which will allow any Indian company not established here to send in cheap labour with no numerical limits and no economic means test.

Competing with cheap labour from India will have a major impact on terms and conditions for UK workers.

Don't depend on national minimum wage to protect UK workers. National minimum wage was brought in in 1998 by the incoming Labour government. The implementation of a minimum wage was bitterly opposed in by the Conservative Party who had gone out of their way to dismantle any wage controls set by trade unions by outlawing these in the Trade Union Reform Act.

smilingmind · 19/03/2017 12:51

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/14/tory-minister-wanted-uk-pensioners-to-be-low-wage-fruit-pickers

It's all sorted.
Us pensioners can pick the fruit and furthermore be paid less for it as we will be too slow.

PoundlandUK · 19/03/2017 13:03

Sounds good smiling. I guess that sets up a great opportunity for the government to postpone state pension age to 70 or beyond too. Everyone's a winner!

Chippednailvarnishing · 19/03/2017 13:21

The more you post OP the more i laugh.

You might want to address the difference between allergies and diabetes.

specialsubject · 19/03/2017 13:22

Haven't read all ten pages, but I would entirely expect that we keep all current legislation. Once we are put, we then have the power to get rid of the ones that give us problems ( e.g. energy supply, newts, tampon tax - I don't pretend to know them all) and keep the good stuff.

Like much of the EU does simply by ignoring what doesn't suit.

Lweji · 19/03/2017 13:22

Can't they get children to fruit pick? Or robots.

Olympiathequeen · 19/03/2017 13:24

The EU certainly is a huge economic bloc. One that takes 20 years to work out trade deals. If 28 nations need to be unanimous then of course deals take forever as countries are fighting for their individual interests.

As trade deals are mutually beneficial I can't see any reason why we would be forced to accept a deal not in our interest. If India was insisting we relaxed visa restrictions then TM walking away was the right thing to do. She has a mandate to limit immigration to a sustainable level.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 19/03/2017 13:25

It's all sorted
Us pensioners can pick the fruit and furthermore be paid less for it as we will be too slow

And idea by someone who is no longer an MP and which was given no credence at the time.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 19/03/2017 13:28

Can't they get children to fruit pick?

Rural Scotland used to call the September break "the tattie holidays". From around 14 up we worked at the potato harvests.

Lweji · 19/03/2017 13:32

If India was insisting we relaxed visa restrictions then TM walking away was the right thing to do. She has a mandate to limit immigration to a sustainable level.

Which is fine. But... the chance for individual deals keeps decreasing, particularly because India is less bothered about a specific deal with the UK than with a larger economy, such as the EU.

ChasedByBees · 19/03/2017 13:35

You know, I am trying to see both sides of this and I desperately want there to be a good side to Brexit since we're doing it, but I don't think I've found one leave voter yet whose arguments aren't based on misunderstandings, believing easily disprovable lies or outright stupidity. Please prove me wrong OP.

Olympiathequeen · 19/03/2017 13:57

Lweji. India has a free trade agreement with the eu but hasn't relaxed Visa restrictions. India is just trying it on of course. Why wouldn't they, it's called bargaining. I believe they import more to us than we do to them, so it's not in its interests to shut the door on the UK and without trailing 27 other countries behind us a deal should be far more straightforward. X27 more in fact

tigerrun · 19/03/2017 14:17

chasedbybees I like your optimism!!

tigerrun · 19/03/2017 14:18

(sadly misplaced I fear Grin)

Valentine2 · 19/03/2017 14:26

Olympia
Please, please tell me what will we trade with India?

Valentine2 · 19/03/2017 14:27

Posted too soon. ....what will we trade and how much of it. will it effectively replace what we have or are we going to have another recession for a few years or so?

jacks11 · 19/03/2017 14:29

.....We were told we can be a sovereign country if we leave the EU......We were not told we will have to adopt every EU law wholesale.. We don't have to adopt them. We can and should create laws that meet our needs not paper pushers in Brussels

OP, did you really believe that you were promised anything specifically if the vote was to leave- other than the promise that the UK would leave if the EU if the vote went that way, obviously? Because that is all you were promised. Nothing more, nothing less.

The leave campaign were in no position to promise anything, although quite a lot of people believed them when they made claims about what "would" happen- people really seem to have believed this is what they were voting for. Quite why they thought this is beyond me- it was clear there was no unifying idea of what Brexit would really be.

I find the ignorance regarding the complexity and implications of Brexit really worrying. Did anybody seriously think that these things were straightforward or could be changed quickly? It's a complicated process, which involves unpicking complex treaties, laws and regulations- much of which have been adopted and written into legislation in this country! These things have to be carefully considered and worked through.

I cannot believe anybody would be so stupid as to think this could be done speedily- this is going to take a long time, longer than the EU brexit negotiations. I think far too many people underestimated the impact and wide-ranging implications of voting to leave.

Olympiathequeen · 19/03/2017 16:10

Valentine. We already do over £3 bill worth of trade with India. static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/2/22/1361530914446/India-exports-imports-001.jpg

Livelovebehappy · 19/03/2017 16:11

People on here think Brexiteers are not commenting because they are running scared or feel bullied. Speaking for myself, it's neither of these. It's just you come on these threads and it's like Groundhog Day. It just gets tedious repeating yourself over and over to people who just wont debate the issue rationally, but instead bleat racist, bigot, thick, blah, blah, blah. It really is akin to banging your head on a brick wall. A lot of the comments contain no substance, but just sink to name calling and goading. Rant over.

HashiAsLarry · 19/03/2017 16:13

chased that's precisely where I am too. I would love there to be an upside that wasn't just rhetoric or misunderstanding