Betrayed by TM.

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We are being led down the path by TM who is now propsing to simply adopt every EU regulation, statute and Law wholesale.

We are beset by EU allergies directives, EU waste directives, EU working time directives, EU this EU that EeU fisheres directives...... We were told we can be a sovereign country if we leave the EU.

We were not told we will have to adopt every EU law wholesale.. We don't have to adopt them. We can and should create laws that meet our needs not paper pushers in Brussels.

You do realise that this thread is now hi-jacked and will go on, and on, and on, and on.........

How hijacked? It would be helpful if the OP did come back to explain her position on the bad bad laws.

Are you a simpleton?

Leavers deserve to be bullied. They've sold us all down the river.

^^ what iamavodkadrinker said, x10,000,000

No politicians have sold us down the river

This referendum should never have happened and certainly not without a plan if we voted to leave that is the fault of Cameron

So long as the cucumbers and bananas have the 'freedom' to be bendy, who cares?

From this thread, am guessing the Daily Heil have been at it again?

I think this thread is a set up as well

And the current Tory MPs who can have a bit of a wobbly when a small change to NI is announced, but can't do a single thing about the disaster that is going to be a hard Brexit and the frankly astonishing incompetence of the Labour party and all the sheep who apparently have no idea how government or the civil society actually works.

Genuine question. Do people think the EU is a long term stable institution that has the best interests of the UK at heart?

Oh waaaaah brexiteers have hurt feelings because people think they're fucking stupid. How sad. Your hurt feelings are obviously so much more important than the unmitigated fucking disaster you've brought on us. Of course.
People on the internet telling you you are a twat will never compare to the fear and devastation experienced by those whose families and lives are jeopardized by brexit.

The EU remains our biggest trade partner. For us to continue to export to the EU all of our goods are going to have to continue to comply to EU standards, so very little is actually going to change apart from the fact trading will invariably be more expensive for us as we won't be in the single market.

if we voted to leave that is the fault of Cameron

Surely it's the voters fault.

I think the problem lies in the fact that our legislative and economic relationship with the EU is extremely complex, but complexity does not translate well to campaigning and much of the media. So, as a pp has said, many people are only realising now just how complex a process it will be to disentangle ourselves, and just how impossible it will be to bring in "British laws for British people" (whatever that is...) given that the EU will still be a massive trade partner and therefore require us to toe the line on trade legislation.

It is hard to be sympathetic when the position, as is the case here, is that "nobody said this would happen" or "I wasn't told". You have a responsibility as a voter to make informed choices - and that involves educating yourself on what the EU actually is and does before deciding whether to leave it. All this is being played out in the US as well, with Trumpgret.

We're almost one year on from the vote to leave the EU. Yes, obviously everyone has a right to voice their disappointment and regret over our democratic vote to Brexit if that's how they feel, but surely now we all need to unite to get a good deal when Brexit happens? All this frothing at the mouth and sniping will achieve nothing, as we are of course a democratic country and this constant negativity will not change things. The vote to leave will not be reversed, so instead of moaning about it, why not direct your energy into lobbying TM and your local MP to what could be put into Brexit plans to make it more palatable for you?

I think this thread is a set up as well
OP is a long-term poster, though, and posts on lots of different threads, including other EU Referendum threads. I don't think she's necessarily a GF, but is maybe just waking up to the facts of Brexit.

You didn't c&p the whole sentence

No plan at all was put in place should the country vote to leave. No one raised questions in parliament what would happen if we should leave our MP's failed us by not doing their job all the issues that have arisen should have been addressed before a referendum took place especially regarding EU citizens

Do people think the EU is a long term stable institution that has the best interests of the UK at heart?

It depends. What do you think are the best interests of the UK?

The EU depends on all countries, their economies are intertwined, and it isn't in anyone's interest for any EU country to fail or run into difficulties.

Does the UK Parliament or Government have the best interests of the UK at heart?

For example, if the EU agreed to limit weekly work hours to 40 maximum, is that in the UK's workers' interests or against? Who benefits from people being expected to work 50 or 60 hours per week?

Treehouse Rose - that's not the point here. Of course there are hypothetical viable alternatives to EU membership. The point is that nobody campaigning for Brexit bothered to formulate one. To draw up a working plan and model it (i.e. Check the viability of the economics of it) and use that as the basis of a campaign to leave. So it's unreasonable to feel betrayed when the only campaign point was "leave". No details were provided, so those who voted for Brexit gambled on their own assumptions. I'd rather have an imperfect working model than a cobbled together mishmash of compromises with no central plan.

What makes you so different, OP, from the rest of the population who have been betrayed by politicians over decades?

Goddamit, I thought this was going to be about periods. I get betrayed by my period every month. OP you have under-delivered.

Leave voters enabled this mess. Who would vote for something that had no plan? Would you buy a house without even seeing a picture of it or knowing what the specifications were?

I don't think I have every hear anyone who voted leave say anything credible which I find find most distressing and disturbing.
Never mind OP as TM has such a 'special relationship' with the orange shitgibbon perhaps he will give her the benefit of his experience in reopening coal mines and reinstating manufacturing industries.

surely now we all need to unite to get a good deal when Brexit happens?

No. Let's make the tories' lives hell. And Leavers. If Labour can't be an effective opposition, it needs to start somewhere else but 4% is no 'mandate' especially since, immediately after, it became apparent that maybe more than 4% were persuaded by outright lies.

At the risk of invoking Godwin (and TBH at this point, I no longer care if I do)...

To ask people to 'unite' is like asking people in 1930s' Germany to 'unite' behind Hitler. Bad things happen when good people don't scream from the rooftops. I'm not 'uniting' with racists and bigots. Ever.

I cannot believe there are many people, whether leavers or remainers, who really think we would be able to repeal all laws based on EU guidelines and regulations immediately.

You haven't met my parents...............

I certainly tried to tell them the Leave crap was all misinformation, but they wouldn't listen.

but surely now we all need to unite to get a good deal when Brexit happens? All this frothing at the mouth and sniping will achieve nothing, as we are of course a democratic country and this constant negativity will not change things.
Oh here we go. 'Frothing', 'Sniping', 'Moaning', 'Negativity'...
Do you know what would be a good way to get everyone to unite? For the PM to acknowledge that almost half of eligible voters did not vote to leave the EU and to be willing to engage in open debate about the best type of Brexit, instead of pursuing a UKIP agenda. Having an clueless idiot like DD in charge is also doing nothing to unite us in supporting the Brexit cause. All TM and her government are doing is fomenting further division.
You can unite with the Kippers if you want to. But I won't, thanks.