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Betrayed by TM.

416 replies

Itisnoteasybeingdifferent · 19/03/2017 08:29

We are being led down the path by TM who is now propsing to simply adopt every EU regulation, statute and Law wholesale.

We are beset by EU allergies directives, EU waste directives, EU working time directives, EU this EU that EeU fisheres directives...... We were told we can be a sovereign country if we leave the EU.

We were not told we will have to adopt every EU law wholesale.. We don't have to adopt them. We can and should create laws that meet our needs not paper pushers in Brussels.

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Olympiathequeen · 19/03/2017 16:14

Sorry stopped reading too soon!

TM says she wants to stay in the free trade area of the EU (me too) so it's not about replacing all the EU exports but in addition too. We will have to bite the freedom of movement bullet to some extent and pay into the trade area and maintain EU trade regulations, but we are already compliant with those, so what's the big deal.

LadyPW · 19/03/2017 16:14

What's she supposed to do - abolish everything straight away?! You accept it at the start to keep the status quo and look at each item separately. Then you keep the good stuff and get rid of the bad. Is that so difficult to understand?! Hmm
(I really wonder about the mentality and intelligence of some people)

Olympiathequeen · 19/03/2017 16:24

livelove. Totally agree with you.

Remainers proclaim they have the moral high ground because they believe in EU unity and all that goes with it. They call Leavers racist, ignorant, xenophobic and resort to bullying, ridiculing tactics designed to denigrate someone who dares to differ with their opinion (bit like my abusive exH).

They think mention of unicorns is the height of sophisticated put downs, and can't recognise in themselves the playground bullies they are.

Olympiathequeen · 19/03/2017 16:27

.......Because of course I believe we were out of the EU on the 23rd June and we will have the whole deal tied up in red ribbon by June this year Hmm

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 19/03/2017 16:27

Some!!!

Some!!!!

For the love of god would people on here use the word 'some'

I cant believe that ticking a box nearly a year ago means that people can tell what you think, feel, vote and earn

Itisnoteasybeingdifferent · 19/03/2017 16:31

We could start by abolishing all EU regulations where we have a law for our own....then look carefully at the rest.

There is a lot of very bad EU regulation about. And much of it is very harmful to the UK.

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HashiAsLarry · 19/03/2017 16:34

Didn't you realise rufus? We lost the vote. We don't get to label anyone anything. That's the winners job. I shouldn't be pointing that out of course, because you know we lost Grin

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 19/03/2017 16:37

What Shock

We lost hashi !!!

Are you sure? When did that happen

No one told me

Did 'some' remainers lose???

HashiAsLarry · 19/03/2017 16:40

Apparently so rufus. Ticking the wrong box meant a lot of things and some of us have to audacity not to have gotten over it in the allocated time too. Cheeky I know.

Andrewofgg · 19/03/2017 16:41

The preposterous decision that makes women pay as much as men for car insurance and life insurance, and men pay as much as women for annuities, can go, please. And I am sure others have good candidates for the shred-bin too.

thatdearoctopus · 19/03/2017 16:41

There is a lot of very bad EU regulation about. And much of it is very harmful to the UK.

OK, then. Can you please name some that you believe is very harmful.

PoundlandUK · 19/03/2017 16:42

There is a lot of very bad EU regulation about. And much of it is very harmful to the UK.

What exactly? It would be interesting if you could list each one alongside a precis of why it is very harmful to the UK, and a brief summary of how the UK voted against it, yet had it's opinions ignored and was forced to adopt it.

I understand you have "a lot" of examples , but would be particularly interested in your top 10.

JoffreyBaratheon · 19/03/2017 16:45

I suspect some folks' definition of 'harmful legislation' is, you know, stuff like protecting workers'/women's rights. All that pesky minor stuff.

TheNaze73 · 19/03/2017 16:48

I don't think you've thought this through OP

Chippednailvarnishing · 19/03/2017 16:57

We could start by abolishing all EU regulations where we have a law for our own....then look carefully at the rest

You didn't study law OP now did you? Mind you I'm still laughing!

hoplittle · 19/03/2017 17:04

There is a lot of very bad EU regulation about. And much of it is very harmful to the UK.

Trump is that you? Sad!

Theworldisfullofidiots · 19/03/2017 17:15

So Op what specifically are the harmful to UK EU regulations?

Olympiathequeen · 19/03/2017 17:17

OP is a nothing but a wind up to get the Remainers on a bit of a rant Grin

JoffreyBaratheon · 19/03/2017 17:18

So let's rant. Why shut up? Isn't that what the Leavers want? Us to shut up and go quietly..? Ain't happening.

Chippednailvarnishing · 19/03/2017 17:20

I think there's more laughing on this thread than ranting.

user1488581876 · 19/03/2017 17:31

Crumbs you do know that equal pay legislation was started in the 60's, championed by Barbara Castle long before we entered the EU.

I really don't know how brexiteers can cite the above a keep a straight face Hmm

The Equal Pay Act was passed in 1970. Equal Pay only came into force on 29 December 1975 after the UK joined the EU as it was a condition of membership. Otherwise, the Conservative government would have completely scrapped ignored it.

The Equal Pay Act 1970 would have had a very limited effect on women's pay as it only covered situation where women were doing the exact same work as men.

In contrast, Article 141 of the Treaty of Rome stated that 'each Member State shall ensure that the principle of equal pay for male and female workers for equal work or work of equal value is applied.

This broader interpretation meant that equal pay had a far wider applicability and covered a far wider range of jobs performed by female workers than would be applied under the original Equal Pay Act.

Megatherium · 19/03/2017 17:46

We could start by abolishing all EU regulations where we have a law for our own....then look carefully at the rest

Do you seriously not understand that, where we have a law of our own covering material in EU regulations, that is either because we had it before we joined the EU, or because of the EU regulation? It's not coincidental, you know.

Do tell us which are the "very bad" EU regulations are that are "very harmful to the UK". I suspect that you are one of those people who believes Mail nonsense about abolishing Christmas and straight bananas.

AbsentmindedWoman · 19/03/2017 18:00

OP do I recognise your handle from a thread saying you have bipolar?

Good luck with that, and any knock on effects on your housing or work situation, once the NHS is dismantled and worker's rights are unprotected.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/03/2017 18:04

It isn't just EU trade deals that take several years; trade deals between any blocs or countries usually take years because they are so complex.

Ignorant Leavers like Peter Lilley keep going on about tariffs, which are the least important aspect:
It is non-tariff barriers that will cause the real pain.

In contrast, the well-informed Leaver Christopher Booker was writing in the Telegraph today about
the unnecessay pain that a hard Brexit would cause, compared to a Brexit staying in the EEA:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/18/david-davis-leading-britain-elephant-trap/

"What is truly terrifying, as the days tick away to Theresa May’s triggering of Article 50, is how little those in charge have any grasp of what they will be facing....

Davis hoped we might be given an extension of the “electronic, light-touch customs checks” that allow 10,000 of our trucks a day to move goods anywhere in the EU without border controls ...

What he still doesn’t seem have grasped is that the moment we leave the EU (and the European Economic Area) to become a “third country”, we are automatically excluded from this electronic system:

to be faced with all the need for paper documentation and inspection procedures which could soon have lorries backing up from Dover to London and beyond."

.... the rules for veterinary inspection of our exports of live animals and “animal products”, including cheese and eggs,

which would now have to be diverted to an EU “border Inspection Post”.

The nearest, at Dunkirk, is so small that it would require massive expansion, and an army of new inspectors, with trucks waiting days for clearance.

As for the fond belief that, without any deal, we could continue to trade with the EU just “under WTO rules”, those still suggesting this are clearly unaware that
not a single developed country relies just on “WTO rules” to trade

The EU treaty database shows that it alone has no fewer than 880 bilateral trading arrangements with almost every country in the world, including 20 with the US and 67 with China;
all of which we would drop out of by leaving the EU.

frumpet · 19/03/2017 18:09

Olympia can you give any evidence that the EU takes 20 years to work out trade deals ?