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AIBU?

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My daughter in law, aibu?

407 replies

SilverDoo · 18/03/2017 13:47

My son and Daughter in law were married for 5 years and have two children.

The separated 3 years ago after my son had an affair. They seemed fairly happy, although I know daughter in law had/has a drink problem which may have contributed.

When I found out about the affair I told my daughter in law as I didn't want to collude with my son. They separated, my son carried on seeing the other woman (they are still together and have a 1 year old daughter.)

I supported my daughter in law, she came to live with my for a while and I helped her with money towards a new property. I see my daughter in law and the children once a week for a meal.

The children share their time equally between both parents. My son and daughter in law do not get on well. I don't speak to my son often, he says he feels betrayed by me.

My daughter in law is now expecting a baby. She plans to move to live with her boyfriend down south, quite a way from here. She plans to sell her house and drastically reduce the time she spends with her children.

I think it's a bad idea but have said she can stay with me on the weekends she comes back to see her children. Is this unreasonable of me, am I aiding her departure?

OP posts:
SookiesSocks · 19/03/2017 23:00

Bill i find you disgusting and have no interest in anything you have to say.

And for the record I never said alcoholics were great parents.
I said MY dad was a good dad. I would not dare to be the authority on all alcoholic parents....unlike you Hmm

tiptoeingpixie · 19/03/2017 23:07

I think you have your Grandchildren's best interests at heart - but paying for your DIL's legal fees? and doing what you did against your son? I'm sorry but I just can't understand that :( Yes I may agree with some things my son has done but would never take so
me DIL or GF over him x

QueenofPentacles · 19/03/2017 23:10

You sound a really kind and supportive person who has been fair to your DIL. It's going to be hard for her children but maybe they are happy being with Dad and Stepmum.
It's all a bit of a muddle but you have done really well and been very kind. Although your son was unfaithful he did stay in the relationship so maybe he fell in love with the other woman, this happens.Or maybe he behaved very badly, we don't know.
I don't know why he feels betrayed by you but maybe you could mend your relationship with him .It would be better for interpersonal arrangements.
Also it may be time for you to move on with your own life as it seem that you have been more than helpful .xx

tiptoeingpixie · 19/03/2017 23:12

lol was meant to so disagree with some things my son has done = could never do what you did - literally betraying him. And yes dam rite he was wrong cheating - but leaving you children to lead another life?? pppfft!

Cannot understand any woman who would do that @(

PodgeBod · 19/03/2017 23:14

🙄 I understand why people don't RTFT when it's so long but at least read the last few replies so you know what's going on.

Tisgrand · 20/03/2017 00:25

Your mother is toxic. Lots of us have/had similar. If you can somehow find a way to deal with that in your own head, and move on, life will be a little easier for you. Whether that means going NC or LC or whatever, just make a decision and go with it. Move on - you can't keep beating yourself up. What happened, happened. Please don't dwell on the past.

Life is messy and relationships are complicated. Few people cruise through life completely untouched by the messy. Best of luck

Italiangreyhound · 20/03/2017 00:28

This is really one of those threads where if you do not read the last two pages you will be in the dark!

Italiangreyhound · 20/03/2017 00:29

Tisgrand mentions low contact, this is a great first move if no contact seems hard OP/real OP.

Willow2017 · 20/03/2017 00:39

Are some people reading another thread? Mother goes against her own child, poisens family against them, supports the other person in the relationship just so she can keep control over her grandkids and its 'supporting'. Encouraging drinking with a medicated alcoholic isnt supportive its manipulative, so is paying her off.

The mother is toxic, went against her own daughter to support the man who was abusing her and her kids!

And is now trying to creep up the ops arse to keep contact with the kids while still supporting her abusive ex, completely selfish bitch.

OP go NC and let her moan about it, your kids deserve better, god knows what poison she is spouting to them when you are not there.

I wouldnt be able to look at her face if she had done that to me, never mind hand my kids over to her.

Get some legal help and let ex see them in a family centre or somewhere where he is supervised. If he has been abusive to them in the past it will continue and your mother will probably allow it.

Holldstock1 · 20/03/2017 02:08

I hope that everyone here has read that the OP is a reverse who had the affair because her husband was an abusive alcoholic who beat her up and who abused one of her children and whose mother has sided with the abuser and turned the rest of the family against her (? am I right in saying this OP?).

OP, I am the child (not abused) from an abusive alcoholic marriage. My 6ft 2 alcoholic father routinely abused my 4 ft 9 mother over a number of years, and also regularly beat up both my half brothers. I was a baby at the time and so escaped said abuse. I'm sure if she had stayed I would have also become a victim. My half brothers who I barely know and who my mother legally couldn't take with her, and myself, carry the scars and damage of said abuse to this very day.

Being brought up with a strong moral compass I do not personally condone cheating in a marriage. I think that under 'normal' circumstances that if a marriage is over, its over whether there are children or not. I am religious, I don't think things should be 'given up on easily' - marriage is hard and cr#p happens, it needs to be worked at. But, given my background I also don't believe that you should be stuck in a marriage where you are unhappy or in fear of your own life or that of your children. If its not working, then end it. Don't pretend its all okay especially for the children. They already know what's going on, and are developing attitudes from it that will influence them in their future adult relationships and that of any children they have , if they decide they can have them. You (and your ex) also deserve the chance to be happy in other relationships.

So OP I hope you understand what I think as an underlying moral philosophy to me personally under normal circumstances.

In the case that you were in an abusive alcoholic marriage - well only you know how bad it really was for your and the children. Its certainly not what I think of as a normal circumstance for a normal marriage. From my own experience of my family I can only guess what might have been going on. It might have been better for you to have finished things without the confusion of a new relationship, but frankly considering the cr@p you were probably going through who am I to judge. The new DP is obviously, from what you've said, someone who has rescued and supported you from the abusive marriage you were in, they are obviously a serious enough and loving life partner for you to have a baby and have a future with, and are willing (and I hope happy and compassionate enough) to take your children from your ex marriage on as well. Step fathers can be wonderful examples of fatherhood to children from divorces. I really hope that you, your partner, your baby with him and your children from your previous marriage are able to form a real and happy family.

Your children from your first marriage are going to come with alot of baggage which I really hope you and your partner can overcome. Please be patient with them. They might feel things are their fault, that they are to blame, that they don't deserve to be happy, or that YOU are at fault for cheating, for giving in and ending the 'relationship' with their Dad (even if they are fully aware of what a complete and utter sh#t he really was in every way). Its in human nature to want mum and dad in a loving relationship, and to blame either themselves or you or your ex that its ended.

The pain and betrayal you must feel personally from your mum and from the rest of the family must be immense. I cannot really comprehend it and can only guess how I would feel under similar circumstances.

I know that its not forgiving, but I think that I would look at the situation two ways:

  1. Its a blessing that your ex is moving away. Yes your children are going to feel rejected. Its going to be really hard for them. All you can be is extremely honest with them (my mum was). They will still blame you at some point, whilst knowing rationally you had no choice - be prepared for that, but if they know the complete truth they will always come round.

At least with him gone, they can realistically move on. I wouldn't block contact - that's up to him how much he really has. If he's a committed dad you've somehow misjudged him in some way, then he'll keep in contact no matter what. If not, then its better for it to die off and for you to be honest about him, but show them what a real family and a real loving relationship is all about. Kids are not stupid. They will soon see for themselves.

  1. Re your Mum. Everyone naturally wants their Mum to understand, to forgive if they are in the wrong (and I'm really not saying you were OP with the affair given the circumstances), to understand, to support and to help them and want the best for them. They also want their Mum to feel the same for their children.

I do think that you need to understand that your Mum will definitely have an emotional link with her SIL. Its natural, and just because things turn to crud between daughter and SIL you can't always (or shouldnt) turn that off. Its a relationship which has been developing over the years since you told her you were first together.

However, once you told her he was an alcoholic and abusive to you and particularly to the children, that feeling should have been put to one side.

You and the children should have been the priority, and there is absolutely no excuse that I would be able to accept that would explain on a long term and developing basis her actions to bad mouth you to the family, support him financially and facilitate him (an abuser) seeing them and to ignore you new DP and baby who is also her GC.

I have had problems (differently) within my husband's family, and while I can get over them being sh#tty with me, I will never get over the cr#p to my husband and esp to my children. No one sh#ts on my children and gets away with it. Long story short, its meant that I've cut contact with them, although DH's GP do have some relationship with my children if my husband is there (their choice - they on the whole can't be assed - part of original problem).

There are times when I regret that we aren't a happy family with DH GPs as I wanted esp considering my family, but then I think of what has happened (and continues to happen), and I just can't get past it to want anything to do with them.

So OP, Im sharing my twisted perspective where I'm just not a big enough person to forgive them. I cant get past what has happened, but I am trying to allow contact even if every bone in my body says no. That's the closest I think I can get to your children's relationship with their dad. Allow contact (if you feel they are safe) and if he doesn't do it that is him screwing up his relationship with his children).

As for your mum, its difficult. I don't know if I'd be as able to completely cut off my mum as I have my PIL (not that she would have behaved like my PIL ever). However as a coping mechanism I think I'd be putting that on hold until I was ready to deal with that. Your mum has completely screwed you (and her GC) over. And its that betrayal and putting at risk of the GC with an alcoholic and abusive father I would especially struggle with. I think I would want a distance with very limited contact over quite a few years before I'd be willing to consider letting her back into a more intimate and trusted relationship with them, and I would probably never trust her in a personal relationship with me ever again.

That's not the most dispassionate or logical advice I know. I really hope that you come up with the best solution for you, your DP and all of your children.

emmyrose2000 · 20/03/2017 02:43

My children are absolutely my priority

These children don't appear to be anyone's priority. Parents, regardless of their gender, who have affairs, walk out on their children, are abusive or are alcoholics (or any combination thereof) are not prioritising their child/ren.

Grandmothers who carry on like your mother aren't prioritising anyone but themselves either.

Cat2014 · 20/03/2017 07:17

Emmyrose - that's not fair. People are human and make mistakes, that does not mean the children are not her priority.

Great post holldstock Smile

SilverDoo · 20/03/2017 07:25

Thank you everyone for taking the time to give your advice and options. I have read all posts and taken everything on board, it's been real helpful Flowers

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emmyrose2000 · 20/03/2017 07:35

Cat2014 - Choosing to drink till you've passed out and your toddler is left to their own devices for hours, or ditching your child's event so you can sneak around with the OM or OW is not a "mistake". It's a choice. And it's very loudly saying that your child is not a priority.

I'm acquainted with one family where the CHOICES of the so-called mother quite rightly led to her having her parental rights terminated. Considering how uncommon and hard that is where I am, that's a very bold statement that her choices were the wrong ones, and that her kids were most definitely not her priority.

emmyrose2000 · 20/03/2017 07:37

To clarify, I'm not referring to the OP in the comment above about drinking till passing out. This refers to a family I've encountered personally.

BillSykesDog · 20/03/2017 07:39

Sookie, no, you applied your experience to all cases by saying that because your alcoholic parent was great (in your opinion,wonder how your mother found it) the affair must be all the fault of the man.

Anyway, in this case I WAS right, he was abusive. And you were wrong. And I highly suspect part of your high dudgeon is just because you were determined to defend the alcoholic because she was the woman and condemn the affair because it was a man and you haven't got the cojones to admit it.

CMamaof4 · 20/03/2017 07:55

Emmyrose, How do you know she ditched her child's event to sneak around with the other man?? There's no way an abusive alcoholic parent is the same as someone who has an affair, What an absolute load of rubbish!

Natstar98 · 20/03/2017 08:06

Many years ago my mother left her alcoholic husband (way before I was born). She left her 5 children with him and told them that she'd be back for them when she found somewhere to live. She never bothered and their relationship was ruined because of it. I can't understand any mother who walks away from their babies. Affairs also happen and there's probably many reasons that caused this that you don't know about. My father had an affair with my step mum and they've been together since I was 7. I had years and years of my mother telling me how bad they were and had a lot of resentment growing up, to find out that it was my mother who had an affair 1st. I suppose what I'm trying to say is, the kids are the most important thing here, not how you or anyone else feels about what has happened. I advise that you sit and talk to your son and his partner, clear the air and start a fresh for the sake of all the children. Life throws a lot of lemons, but we have to think of the bigger picture and long term mental health of those children, so do the right thing and be there for everyone.

emmyrose2000 · 20/03/2017 08:09

CMamaof4 - Should have clarified that the person ditching the child's event was someone I know personally (not the OP, or thankfully anyone I am related to).

If you can't see that parents CHOOSING to either drink to excess and/or risking destroying their child's family life and happiness by having an affair are both vile things then there's nothing I can say to that. In my job, I've seen "parents" make each of these bad choices and, no, their child most certainly wasn't their priority.

I've dealt with a woman who had just sobered up after yet another bender. She had been through rehab and prescribed medication that was supposed to stop her from wanting to drink. She openly stated to me that "I chose not to take the tablets. I wanted to drink". I wasn't really thinking of [Child's name]". That's a CHOICE - and a bad one.

I've also had to deal with the aftermath of a man who said he didn't really care what his children wanted (at that moment), all he could think about was meeting up with the woman he was enamored with. Divorce followed - STD for the ex-wife, drastic change in living standards for the kids, very angry, upset, confused children who wanted to know why daddy didn't care about them anymore. Another bad CHOICE by a parent who didn't give a damn.

CMamaof4 · 20/03/2017 08:18

Emmyrose So she destroyed her child's "family life" by having an affair? Really?? So do you think the children were better off staying in their "family life" with an abusive alcoholic parent??
I would also say the children weren't happy in this situation were they, as he was abusive towards one of the children too as well as their mother ...

Your "experience" doesn't relate to the ops situation as the situations all differ.

SilverDoo · 20/03/2017 08:20

A 'bad choice' if regretted is a 'mistake'.... The two are not mutually exclusive.

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SilverDoo · 20/03/2017 08:22

Emmyrose2000 - just out of curiosity, what is your job? You referred to it in a post.

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emmyrose2000 · 20/03/2017 08:23

CMamaof4; Ok. Having an affair is fine. Never ruined anybody's life, least of all an innocent childs'. Whatever.

reup · 20/03/2017 08:25

You said that your ex was abusive to one of your children? Does this continue or only when he was drinking? What did your mum say about that?

CMamaof4 · 20/03/2017 08:37

I never said that emmyrose, But in this case , I believe that it was best for the children that their parents weren't together so no I don't think it "ruined" the children's lives.
My children had an abusive alcoholic father and they flourished after we split up. So with my experience of living a situation similar to op minus having an affair, I know how detrimental it is to children having an abusive alcoholic parent first hand and how family life can continue and be happier after a split especially when you find the right partner to continue family life with.

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