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AIBU?

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To tell DH that this is too much?

745 replies

Alaia5 · 16/03/2017 13:11

I've posted about DH and his behaviour/ hobbies some months back, so apologies about another question.

DH has recently turned 45 and wants to go on an expedition to the North Pole. The expedition would take 80 days, plus another 2 weeks training prior to the expedition itself.

We have 4 DC aged 14, 12, 9 and 6, so not babies anymore. I also have MIL living nearby and she is a LOT to deal with on a day-to-day basis. In the 15 years we've been married I I've never held DH back from doing anything. He's away regularly due to work anyway, so I'm more than used to coping on my own for anything between one night to a week.

80 days though is practically 3 months and I'm surprised that I feel slightly panicked and tearful at the thought of him being away for that long. I'm not even sure if there will be wi-fi? On the other hand, it's for a great cause and I can see it's a once in a lifetime opportunity for him. I'm obviously worried about the impact of him being away on the DC as well, particularly our younger two.

AIBU to say this is too much or AIBU to let him go and have my DC be without their dad for 3 months? I know there are millions of single parents or people with partners in the forces which makes me think maybe I'm being a bit precious about the whole thing? DH is coming back from NY tomorrow night and wants to discuss it, but I genuinely don't know what to think. AIBU?

OP posts:
EmiliaAirheart · 18/03/2017 22:32

Nannyplumupthebum, the man has had good parenting modelled to him for over a decade - by the OP. If he gave a shit, he would have learned something but clearly he doesn't. What kind of father has never looked after his own children for more than a couple of hours?

Alaia5 you have plans in place for what would happen if he dies - which is probably more likely, given he's the adrenaline junkie - but what would happen if you do? You won't take a bloody holiday because he'll go 'stir crazy' looking after his own children. Is it not repulsive to you to think that if something happened to you, your husband would be woefully inadequate at stepping up to fill all their parenting needs?

Wallywobbles · 18/03/2017 22:33

A different perspective. My DM died when we were 7, 10, 14, 16. My dad bought in help in the form of a live in house keeper and sent us all off to boarding school.

He worked away Monday to Friday, and had no idea how to deal with us. It was emotionally like being left with a stranger albeit in our own home for occasional weekends and holidays.

Never came to school anythings, I don't suppose he was aware of them as he had no DW to remind him.

Is this what you'd choose for your kids if god forbid something happened to you? If the answer is no, then you should really reflect on that and take steps to change your current status quo.

gamerchick · 18/03/2017 22:36

That wasn't really my point, but you've illustrated it pretty good.

Look we only put up with what we're prepared to put up with. I wouldn't put up with my husband having the best of both worlds and neither would a lot of people reading. You have a choice to suck it up or get rid because he won't change.

I'm the same jane mines pretty mint as well Grin

CocoaLeaves · 18/03/2017 22:41

Is this the protein egg whites only omelette guy? And you were thinking about how to get back into your old job? What happened with that?

JaneEyre70 · 18/03/2017 22:48

I meant dominant as in the decision maker, and submissive as in not questioning master, not as in sexual dominance Blush.

gamerchick · 18/03/2017 23:07

The elephant in the room as a PP touched on which was ignored.

To the point, if that dude in that book hadn't been a billionaire and lived hand to mouth in a trailer would the lass in that book have allowed him to do what he did to her?

saffronwblue · 18/03/2017 23:12

It seems to me that your Dh loves the idea of family at his convenience. He doesn't engage with the fact that dc need 24 hour care, emotional support, activities, appointments and most of all attention. It is as if he thinks they can be put away in a cupboard like a toy when he is not focusing on them. Raising dc is the true adventure of a lifetime rather than collecting passport stamps. He may never realise this or he may learn it too late when they become distant as adults.

Jux · 18/03/2017 23:33

He is definitely the type who likes the idea of family, but is less enamoured of actually being part of one.

HelenaDove · 19/03/2017 00:02

Your DH wanted a family to compliment his portfolio OP He didnt/dosnt actually want to participate in a family unit.

OreoDream · 19/03/2017 00:06

Your DH wanted a family to compliment his portfolio OP He didnt/dosnt actually want to participate in a family unit.

So true of so many men!!

PoorYorick · 19/03/2017 00:08

Hang on, the egg white omelette thing is ringing a faint bell. Is this the same guy who also instructs his wife to prepare him freshly grilled platypus eyeballs on a bed of unicorn or whatever the fuck his training requires?

OreoDream · 19/03/2017 00:11

OP you can't leave him with the DC for a month because he would go demented at the routine yet he wants to leave you unhappy for 3 months? I think that says a lot about his moral code!!

PoorYorick · 19/03/2017 00:13

There'll be a lot of routine in training for an Arctic expedition. My Spidey sense says that he could handle that one...

MerryMarigold · 19/03/2017 04:15

OP, you sound pretty amazing. I'd like to be married to you. And your dh has had a very good run. But, fine to stand up for yourself and your family a bit more now. If YOUR dream was to have a close family and a supportive, loving husband then time to claim that. It's not about tit for tat, but it's about what values you want for your family, what values you hope your kids will end up having. I can easily imagine your dh had got caught up in this world, and it does tend to feed the male ego so it's probably happened without you both realising but I think this life is not what you would have wanted for your children to see really, especially daughters.

julessussex · 19/03/2017 04:51

Looking it from the kids point of view - this is a really long time to be away.
My dad travelled a lot with his job and as a child I used to miss him terribly, it was really hard. My 7 year old would be devastated if my husband was away for that length of time.

Maybe now is not the right time for a mid life crisis, my husband turned 50 this year, there it's lots he would like to do too, but he wants to include us in his adventures. Maybe you could plan for a holiday of a lifetime together as a family instead?

Ericaequites · 19/03/2017 06:11

People in Hades want ice water too. No is an complete sentence. It's not the time away that would bother me, but the complete selfishness of it all.

StudentMum92 · 19/03/2017 07:10

Your DH sounds like a self-indulgent mummy's boy whose had children expecting them to slot into his existing life style. He sounds like a dick OP sorry!

Whatalready · 19/03/2017 07:35

To some extent a lot of men are like this. They keep up with their hobbies etc while their wives stay at home particularly in the evening. Admittedly the hobbies aren't usually so grand and the absence isn't so long. I've been left regularly while my DH went fishing for the weekend etc. I was lonely when the DC were in bed.
You have lost your self confidence OP and before you can make your big stand you have to get it back. Having the middle of the day to yourself is an opportunity to do something. Start brainstorming. What do I want to do? Bet you can't answer but you will build up a list. Learn to fly? If money is not a concern you can let your imagination run wild!
I would tell DH that I don't want to look after MIL anymore. If he asked why I'd just say cos i don't like her. She is a real long term obstacle to your independence. She will make you feel like a skivvy. Dump her on DH. She is his responsibility not yours. Use it as a test of your new assertiveness.
Sometimes men are happy to have us barefoot and pregnant, dependent and full of admiration for them. You need to rebalance your relationship. Use the time when your children are at school to do something amazing for you. But do dump the MIL on him.

lastrose123 · 19/03/2017 08:19

If you stop him from going he may hold it against you forever and would you want to stop him? The three months will pass and he will be pleased to have gone. Life is too short for regrets. Make sure you have your time too to do the things you want to do. Make sure HE has made provision for his Mother and that you have support in place for you.

Alaia5 · 19/03/2017 08:29

I fully take on board that people think he is selfish and a wanker.

Cocoa - I think I remember you from last summer and you were super helpful. Flowers I did start the course in the end!

I'm not making excuses for myself, but how many mums do actually put themselves first? Regardless of DH and our circumstances, 4 kids is 4 kids!

I'm not making excuses for DH or doing a sob story here either, but when he was young he would regularly go for 6 months without seeing his parents as they were overseas and he spent school holidays with relatives who had left Iran for the UK. It doesn't excuse anything now, but not everyone starts from the same place.

About the "elephant in the room" - in different financial circumstances, we would have had less DC. Apart from that I've no idea.

OP posts:
Whatalready · 19/03/2017 08:46

He is very lucky to have you, always willing to see things from his point of view. I don't buy into the idea that because someone was neglected they go on to neglect others though.
You can't use your DC as pawns in this either by dumping them on DH. But while he's gone, why stay at home? Why don't you take them on holiday? I would!
He needs to look round and admire you more for the interesting things you do. Why not slip off to Corsica or somewhere? Beaches, snorkeling, nice restaurants, a bit different. Lovely in the Spring. A break for you.
His parents dumped him? WTF! Why does anyone bother with MIL??? Selfish old bitch.

ElspethFlashman · 19/03/2017 08:52

So he used to spend long periods without a father so he sees literally no issue with his own children spending long periods without theirs. What a cliche. How depressing.

And your children will grow up to be similar parents. Well the boys will. The girl will have a very different example to follow. She will marry a man like that, and like you, say on that it's normal in the circles she moves in.

Aren't we supposed to try NOT to perpetuate the mistakes of a previous generation?

And tbh OP, you have more excuses than I thought it was possible for someone to have about their spouse. Naturally you're defensive, but 26 pages of "Yes, but...." must be something of a MN record.

PoorYorick · 19/03/2017 09:04

but how many mums do actually put themselves first?

Parents, regardless of gender, should put their kids first. It's not to say parents never get any time or resources to themselves, but they should always consider first whether the kids will be all right. In your case, your children already miss their father and he's woefully inadequate in his capacity to care for them. So no, buggering off whenever he fancies when he's already missing too much of their childhood and taking no active participation in their education and raising is not in their best interests. And it isn't about mothering.

Regardless of DH and our circumstances, 4 kids is 4 kids!

Tell your husband, I'm not sure he realises this. And four kids is precisely why he needs to be stepping up. More to the point, because they're HIS four kids. Yes, there are lone parents with lots of children but YOU ARE NOT A LONE PARENT, or at least you're not supposed to be.

I'm not making excuses for DH or doing a sob story here either, but when he was young he would regularly go for 6 months without seeing his parents as they were overseas

Well then you'd think he'd want better for his own kids, no? That they should get the precious family time with both parents that he never got? I'm not being facetious, but I honestly don't understand the defence you're trying to make here. He obviously does think kids need time with a parent because he's such an arsehole about you working. But the responsibility isn't his?

Will he step up when he takes early retirement? If neither of you are working, he'll be able to do his half of the school runs, childcare, looking after them when they're ill, cooking, cleaning, all that, yes? Yes? When neither of you are in paid employment, he won't expect you to keep on doing all the shitwork while he travels and explores and fulfils himself, will he? Will he?

I've said it before but it bears repeating...I am sick of him. I have never met him and I can feel the weight of his wants, his desires, his needs, his life, his thoughts, his mother, everything all about him, coming off your posts. His life is half over, he wants to do this, he thinks that. And nothing about your life also ticking away, your desires, your wants, which must still be dormant somewhere or you wouldn't have this thread.

Certainly nothing about your children's wants, which seem pretty simple and reasonable to me...more time with their father, more time to be reassured that they matter, that they exist independently of his will, that they're people in their own rights and not just parts of the portfolio of his identity.

MerryMarigold · 19/03/2017 09:05

That's true about how many mums put themselves first, but I think the thing in your situation is the sheer scale of the inequality. You have to constantly put the kids first because he very very rarely does.

I can understand why your dh doesn't want you to work because you are doing the job of 2 parents currently. If you work it will impact the kids, but this is a huge sacrifice for you to make just because he wants to do the job he has and have the lifestyle he has. Is it really all for your family that he does it? Do you get a Ferrari too? Or just a family car? If that were my dh I'd want a pagani huayra at the very least .

I'm also not entirely sure what his vision for his daughters is. Does he want them to do what you do, in which case why bother paying for a top education? Or is he paying all that so they can meet someone rich and live like you? Would he want them to have choices? Why don't you get choices too? I can see you're trapped OP by your love for your children. They deserve 2 parents. Dh may have had an abandoned childhood but surely all the more reason to be emotionally present and connected to his children.

Time for some hard conversations OP. Of anything it should be you having the middle crisis. He's done a lot, achieved many of his dreams and at your expense.

PoorYorick · 19/03/2017 09:14

I've been trying to find a video of this Joyce Grenfell song and sadly they all seem to be unavailable. So here are the lyrics for you instead. I'm afraid it loses some power without Grenfell's performance behind it, but you still get the gist.

I had three Brothers,
Harold and Robert and James,
All of them tall and handsome,
All of them good at games.
And I was allowed to field for them,
To bowl to them, to score:
I was allowed to slave for them
For ever and evermore.
Oh, I was allowed to fetch and carry
For my Three Brothers,
Jim and Bob and Harry.

All of my brothers,
Harry and Jim and Bob,
Grew up to be good and clever,
Each of them at his job.
And I was allowed to wait on them,
To be their slave complete.
I was allowed to work for them,
And life for me was sweet,
For I was allowed to fetch and carry
For my Three Brothers,
Jim and Bob and Harry. Jim went out to South Africa,
Bob went out to Ceylon.
Harry went out to New Zealand
And settled in Wellington.
And the grass grew high on the cricket pitch,
And the tennis court went to hay,
And the place was too big and too silent
After they went away.
So I turned it into a Guest House
After our parents died,
And I wrote to the boys every Sunday,
And once a year they replied.
All of them married eventually,
I wrote to their wives, of course,
And their wives wrote back on postcards -
Well... it might have been very much worse.

And now I have nine nieces,
Most of them home at school.
I have them all to stay here
For the holidays as a rule.
And I am allowed to slave for them,
To do odd jobs galore.
I am allowed to work for them,
And life is sweet once more,
For I am allowed to fetch and carry
For the children of Jim and Bob and Harry.