To wonder why England wants to keep Scotland?

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Or am I being really thick? NS has been causing no end of grief the past few years always complaining about how bad Scotland has it (despite receiving more money for Scotland than Scotland gives back) also promising English votes for English laws and then changing that when something she didn't like can up. Her financial plan depends on the North Sea oil. If Scotland keeps rights to that it'll last fifty years tops before oil runs out. She just seems to be a constant pain and wants special treatment which wales and NI don't ever seem to get. I do love Scotland but right now I'm inclined to cheerily wave them off and wish the good luck.

Saor, I don't think it's the tone of the thread, either.

I wanted them to stay the first time round because I didn't want to break up the union.

Now? If they're going to keep whinging and whining they should just leave. Let them cope on their own for a bit; they wouldn't last long.

Thanks for all the replies guys! I'll be honest I don't know much of the gritty details about the debate I'm just a bit tired of the snps throwing their weight around for a comparatively small population of people and then voting in laws which don't affect them. I do genuinely love Scotland as a country and would love for it to stay in the union with us. I believe Scotland have done brilliantly on renewable energy among other things. But I can not stand the current debate and the more NS throws her weight around the more likely the other union members are to say goodbye and not negotiate like the last time.

Because we're better together, more people have better negotiating power, people from Scotland can come and work in the rest of the UK and vice versa, it makes trade easier, no customs barriers, no tariffs....

I think that's the argument for Remaining in the UK.

It's probably the argument that Brexiteers want to make to keep Scotland in the UK.

Well great. All the devisive bull shit we loved through once is already being stirred right back up again.

Let just breed more intolerance shall we

Lived through once!

I did NOT love it last time round!

Now? If they're going to keep whinging and whining they should just leave. Let them cope on their own for a bit; they wouldn't last long

Lumela really?

Nicola Sturgeon does not speak for me ... or anyone I know ....

Puzzled - the gas & oil is in Scotland so if we vote to leave UK, it's ours & not to be negotiated with UK 🙄

I'm happy we are having another referendum. After the brexit ref everyone realised the lies told by the leave campaign - the NHS lie for example.

Operation fear was ongoing by better together prior to the independence ref. Time has shown that much of the shite was lies. The Vow was a lie for example.

All we want is the right to self determination. An equal voice.

I'm not a independent, I'm a federalist.

I did want Scotland to stay.

Now I couldn't care less.

Just let nicola sturgen have her vote again, if it goes to remain in the uk, then that will surely be the end of her political career, bye bye NC, If it goes the other way and the vote is to leave, then job done too, we won't have to listen to her moaning anymore !

Aprilanne I know what your saying but actually there are so many working poor out there who aren't entitled to the grant. I've seen it first hand, the boxes really are a super idea and gives every baby the best start. Would be great if they were given out throughout the whole of the uk tbh.
I agree money could be spent elsewhere, but the statistics of kids living in poverty in Scotland is scary compared to the rest of the uk. The government are damned if they do and damned if they don't on any subject to be fair, can't please everyone. X

Op - England over rule the wishes of Scotland frequently & we just have to go along with it

SNP have 56 out if 59 MPs so have a very clear majority from the Scottish people but are over ruled by Tory & labour every time

I wish England & wales well with brexit but why should Scotland be dragged out of EU when we did not vote for it ?

I can't be bothered with indyref2. Seriously. Lies were told on both sides before, it's gonna be the same this time.
Personally I think we are better together especially coming out of the EU. I think we rely on each other and support each other fairly equally.

I wanted Scotland to stay last time, I believed in the benefits of the union. England has really fucked them over since then though. I know hope they leave for their own benefit. I'm English, living in England, I wish I could vote to leave England.

I do not want to.be governed by the Tories and it is highly unlikely that Scotland will ever be stupid enough to have Tories in charge.
Scotland NHS is not a shambles, under pressure certainly but not a shambles and as a hard working nurse I take exception to that staement.
I do however think that social care and health partnerships are shit for the NHS as the councils have the unions behind them.and NHS staff are getting shafted. But that's another discussion.

Currently all parts of the UK receive more funding than they pay in through tax. There may be individual areas where this is an exception, but Scotland as a whole is not one of them. Also, Scotland does get additional funding via the Barnett Formula. This is calculated on the basis of the total UK tax take and isn't linked to tax receipts from Scotland.

The Scottish Gvt has the power to vary tax rates (and therefore vary the spending under its control) but there powers have never been used.

the gas & oil is in Scotland so if we vote to leave UK, it's ours & not to be negotiated with UK

Although this is the lie the SNP peddle, I think you'll find such a simplistic view is optimistic at best. Even the briefest research shows that the regs around proximity/ownership and national/offshore/international waters are complicated in the extreme, and that's without addressing who's paid for all the development, infrastructure and so on over all these years, and what payback they may or may not expect

It really isn't as simple as effectively pouting "it's ours and you're not going to share it so there "

Scotland voted to remain part of the Union but that might not have been the case if they had known that we were going to decide to leave the EU. I think that Brexit is reasonable justification for another referendum even if the Scots opt to remain part of the Union. Sturgeon is a Scottish Nationalist: I don't get why people are so incredulous that she puts Scottish interests first: and I say that as someone who is English.

I wanted Scotland to stay last time because I did not think Scotland would be able to enter the EU on their own . Now I think goodbye and good luck .

If Scotland becomes independent all the oil and gas reserves in what would become its territorial waters would be Scottish.

It doesn't matter who built the rigs etc.

More important issues are how much is left, and what can be safely extracted, and how price fluctuations would affect the economy (the reason why Norway established an oil fund was to prevent huge revenues flooding into their economy and destabilising it).

The most recent evidence is that unless the price of oil recovers significantly, Scotland would be poorer outside the Union, although that was pre-Brexit.

Brave of you to bring the Barnett Formula into this, toad ... I doubt any Scottish posters will thank you for it

If wee Jimmy Krankie want independence, she should just give the English the vote.

Don't get her, she wants independence and to join an EU Superstate?

She's not just a Moron, she's an oxymoron.....

Funny how it's not the ones who want indyref2 resorting to name calling and disdainful comments.