To wonder why England wants to keep Scotland?

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Or am I being really thick? NS has been causing no end of grief the past few years always complaining about how bad Scotland has it (despite receiving more money for Scotland than Scotland gives back) also promising English votes for English laws and then changing that when something she didn't like can up. Her financial plan depends on the North Sea oil. If Scotland keeps rights to that it'll last fifty years tops before oil runs out. She just seems to be a constant pain and wants special treatment which wales and NI don't ever seem to get. I do love Scotland but right now I'm inclined to cheerily wave them off and wish the good luck.

The ruddy Yes/No signs are STILL up in my village after the last IndyRef.

Utterly utterly sick of this.
Scotland voted to remain by a large majority just a couple of years ago.
It was a 'once in a generation' vote.

I'd like NS to spend the money on the appalling education, the woeful NHS and the laughable PoliceScotland.

If there is spare change down the back of the sofa she can do a Ref to see if the Scottish people WANT another Ref. Then she can have one!

I'm not sure. I'd be quite happy without them so not sure what the fuss is.

and dont get me started on her stupid baby box for all .yes some may need it .but most of us have this by the time our child is born .its costing millions and just so NS can say look at me am i not wonderful .

Oh good another "we hate Scotland and everything about it" thread

Scotland voted to remain by a large majority just a couple of years ago

On the assurance it was the only way to stay in the EU.

Things have changed - seems fair enough to me.

Up till this afternoon, I was ambivalent about Scottish independence. But the reaction of Theresa May has rather made my mind up that it's something they should be polled about.

And the sheer brass neck of suggesting that an independence referendum is "advisory", after the insistence that "Brexit is Brexit".

Some people no doubt will have bought the argument used on the run up to the referendum that if Scotland left the UK it would also have to leave the EU and re-negotiate its own entry on terms that would be undoubtedly less favourable, if indeed they were even to qualify for membership. So they voted to remain in the UK. Next thing you know the rest of the UK has voted to leave the EU! If I were Scottish I'd be feeling extremely cheated by this sneaky reversal, and want a new referendum in light of significantly changed circumstances.

Ach, as usual, cross posted with others saying what I wanted to say but in far fewer words. Humph.

Scotland will never leave. 2 examples that come to mind: no more free prescriptions for all and no university places. England subsidises Scotland, Wales and N Ireland.

No FREE university places, sorry.

Lurking
I am NO FAN of Theresa May either, believe me.

I am not 'anti Scotland' by any means. I've chosen to live here for 30 yrs.

But I don't want money spent on this when so much else is in a bad way.

England subsidises Scotland, Wales and N Ireland.

Well, used to. England appears to be struggling to subsidise itself these days, what with austerity.

Congratulations on your goady fuckery

I'm not sure many do. By the time of the vote last year there were many voices outside Scotland so cheesed off with the whole thing that there was a growing message was 'don't let the door hit you on the way out'. With a second vote so close after the first I can see that only getting bigger.

I speak as someone with a mixed Scots and Welsh background currently living in England. I want the UK to want to be together but that's not what I'm feeling.

In all honesty I voted Yes in the last referendum, and was a bit disappointed it didn't happen (not surprised though).
This time round, think I'd probably vote no.
I think with brexit we are better sticking together.
As for the comment about the baby boxes, please understand that a large percentage of children in Scotland live in poverty, and I for one think this is a huge benefit to the people that need it.

I want Scotland to remain for many of the same reasons i wanted to remain in the EU. I believe it is better to be part of something larger and that unions of countries are good for citizens within those countries. I do not think cutting yourself off from your neighbours is a good idea. I also do not think that Scotland leaving the UK will solve their issues with England any more than I believe the UK leaving the EU was the way of addressing issues with Europe.

Waffling- that is completely incorrect. England does not subsidisebtyevrest of the uk at all. All 4 countries pay in tax and then each one is given a budget by Westminster which they then decide how to spend. Scotland gets back less than it puts in and our parliament decided to spend that budget on free prescriptions and university places. Please educate yourself.

Where did I say I was "anti Scotland" ?

In 2014, my - purely sentimental - opinion was that Scotland should remain in the Union, and I was pleased they voted so.

But now, I can't help but agree that the complete U-turn about the EU has come so soon after that vote, as to legitimise another.

If Westminster, Theresa May, and others are upset about this, then maybe -just maybe - they should have LISTENED BEFORE THEY VOTED LEAVE.

I for one remember several warnings - before 23rd June - that a Leave vote would risk the Union. So people can hardly be surprised.

Based on the Westminster reaction so far, I wish an independent Scotland all the best.

👏🏻 Fluffyears - spot on.

I just can't be arsed this time around. Friends and families fighting, lies,lies and more lies.

The fact is if the torirs want us we obviously have something they want/need as they are bastards who would sell their firstborn if it suited them! I can't see them carrying a lame duck.

I voted "no" last time round and I have to say I was not swayed by the option of staying in the EU or leaving it. I then voted "remain" because Sturgeon said if we stayed in the EU she wouldn't demand another referendum. I never thought in a million years the majority of the UK would vote to leave.
The SNP have ruined this country. I can't stand Sturgeon and Salmond. Even if Brexit had not happened that lying bitch would have used some other excuse to drag us through this again.

Oh good another "we hate Scotland and everything about it" thread
Saor, did you you not see where the OP says 'I love Scotland'?

I think it might be more that she's had enough of Nicola.

Courtesy of the Guardian:

IFS says an independent Scotland might have to increase taxes or cut spending

Paul Johnson, the director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, was on the World at One talking about Nicola Sturgeon’s speech. The IFS’s interventions during the 2014 campaign infuriated nationalists and Johnson’s comments this afternoon will not endear him to independence supporters either. Here are the key points he made:

Johnson said an independent Scotland might have to increase taxes or cut spending.

^Scotland looks very much like the rest of the UK in terms of its income per head, so we get just about as much tax per person from everyone in Scotland as we do in the rest of the UK.

But spending in Scotland is more than 1,000 per person higher than spending in the rest of the UK.

So what that means is that there is a big transfer of money from the rest of the UK to Scotland and, obviously, if Scotland were to become independent it would have to either reduce its spending by more than 1,000 per head or increase its taxes by more than £1,000 per head.^

So it looks like the IFS think Scotland is subsidised....

Saor, did you you not see where the OP says 'I love Scotland

It wasn't OP my comment was aimed at.

SALT AND SAUCE i agree some folk need these boxes but probably most dont .i personally would have felt insulted for them to suggest i needed this and we were in no way well off .its just we have lots of other priorities more pressing than this and people get a £500 maternity grant from the uk government .so no baby need be destitute