To consider escorting?

[MakeItRainOnMe]

NC'd.

I'm so sick of being poor, I can't even save money to put in to a pension let alone for new and much needed clothes.

I'm (almost) 25 with a 1 year old DD studying at uni and if it wasn't for DD then I would work in the evenings and on weekends but with no family nearby I have no options.

Plus I plan to move back to London when I finish my degree and as there is no room at my mums I think that this will be the best way to survive in London.

Anyone got any suggestions? Help or advice?

Thanks

No one interested in why drug addiction and childhood abuse are so comorbid with prostitution and trauma? Not punters, that's for sure.

Xenophile Is that the best you can come up with-an ad hominem slur?
Farley (whose views you paraphrase) in ““Prostituted women and ex prostituted women have some of the highest per capita rates of PTSD for any job, including military” meant that the act of sex for money was in and of its self, causative of PTSD in prostitutes.

Variants of this statement have entered the lexicon of many abolitionists without qualification. What I showed in my post is that this is not true-while some do suffer mental trauma, a great many do not-so it is not necessarily “sex for money” that is traumatic but the conditions under which some operate, so drug addicted street workers frequently havhigh levels of PTSD, it is much lower of absent in indoor workers-who are the majority of prostitutes in this country.

In making their arguments abolitionists generalize from the worst examples they can find to all prostitutes-without recognising that prostitution is very heterogeneous with a vast variety of experiences-even exemplified by the few prostitutes or ex-prostitutes on this thread.

Over the years on Mumsnet there have been many threads touching on prostitution and over 100 current and ex-prostitutes have described their experiences ranging from good to dire. You simply cannot generalize as you have done to make the sweeping statements you have.

Xenophile Is that the best you can come up with-an ad hominem slur?
Farley (whose views you paraphrase) in ““Prostituted women and ex prostituted women have some of the highest per capita rates of PTSD for any job, including military” meant that the act of sex for money was in and of its self, causative of PTSD in prostitutes.

Variants of this statement have entered the lexicon of many abolitionists without qualification. What I showed in my post is that this is not true-while some do suffer mental trauma, a great many do not-so it is not necessarily “sex for money” that is traumatic but the conditions under which some operate, so drug addicted street workers frequently havhigh levels of PTSD, it is much lower of absent in indoor workers-who are the majority of prostitutes in this country.

In making their arguments abolitionists generalize from the worst examples they can find to all prostitutes-without recognising that prostitution is very heterogeneous with a vast variety of experiences-even exemplified by the few prostitutes or ex-prostitutes on this thread.

Over the years on Mumsnet there have been many threads touching on prostitution and over 100 current and ex-prostitutes have described their experiences ranging from good to dire. You simply cannot generalize as you have done to make the sweeping statements you have.

Tangoman seems to have forgotten CAPS LOCKS on his post, so did it twice.

Why is punter a slur to you, if you think there is no problem with women being prostituted for your consumption?

Further, you proved precisiely nothing with your cut and paste from whichever punter apologist website is purveying that now. Other posters have shown you why, so I won't bother to elucidate.

You have pretty obviously not read the judgement in the court case you mentioned, otherwise you wouldn't have attempted to defame Farley. And, while I respect Farley's work immensely, that is not where I obtained my assertion from, so you can cut that out as well.

I am perfectly well aware of the dangers of generalising, are you aware of the dangers of your obvious confirmation bias? Other posters have commented on this, will you answer them?

I get it, some men feel the need to wank into women who are unable for various reasons to withold consent. That kind of power and control over women in a life where they perceive themselves to have little power or at the other end of the scale, to have total control over every aspect of their lives except women's legal right to refuse consent, must be heady. I can even see why it's addictive, it offers men like you similar neurological highs as certain drugs or dangerous sports.

You use as exemplars some of the prostituted women who post on threads about prostitution, without, I presume having noticed that the majority of them, even the happy hookers that hobbyists such as yourself wish to pretend make up the majority of prostituted women, have stated the reason why they end up doing it. Although, I am sure that you will no doubt come back with the typical punter's fallacy that being paid to bypass consent makes it work, and all work is therefore prostitution, but even you know that isn't the case. I wonder if you're a name changer, if you're the punter who told the story of the very young woman who cried and said that she couldn't go through with it, so you let her play with your dog before you fucked her?

I am not an abolitionist by the way. For the tiny minority of women who freely choose, out of a range of options, to prostitute themselves, I say go for it. If you really have to label me, and men like you so often do feel the need to put women into boxes, sometimes literally, then I suppose I am anti-john. I would go so far as to say that I would be quite happy for you all to be locked up forever. The kind of man who sees no problem with viewing women as little more than mobile fleshlights, as meat, is in my view dangerous to all women.

Xenophile On the contrary-it is obviously you who has not read the judgement in BedfordvCanada
www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2010/2010onsc4264/2010onsc4264.html .

(For those unfamiliar with the case three prostitutes brought a case in Ontario to overthrow the prostitution laws in Canada(which are similar to those existing in the UK). They were successful the case going to the Canada supreme court where they were again successful). One of the witnesses called by the Canada was Melissa Farley.

Farley submitted an avadavat and was cross examined (cross examination here 184.70.147.70/lowman_prostitution/HTML/Ontario_Charter_Challenge/Joint_Application_Record/Volume_50/Tab_114_Farley_Cross-Examination.pdf)

If you read the judgement-as I have done and you obviously haven’t you will see that the judge Susan Himel was critical of Farley-so-cut and paste warning:
[353] I found the evidence of Dr. Melissa Farley to be problematic. Although Dr. Farley has conducted a great deal of research on prostitution, her advocacy appears to have permeated her opinions. For example, Dr. Farley's unqualified assertion in her affidavit that prostitution is inherently violent appears to contradict her own findings that prostitutes who work from indoor locations generally experience less violence. Furthermore, in her affidavit, she failed to qualify her opinion regarding the causal relationship between post- traumatic stress disorder and prostitution, namely, that it could be caused by events unrelated to prostitution. (emphasis added)

[354] Dr. Farley's choice of language is at times inflammatory and detracts from her conclusions. For example, comments such as "prostitution is to the community what incest is to the family" and "just as pedophiles justify sexual assault of children . . . . men who use prostitutes develop elaborate cognitive schemes to justify purchase and use of women" make her opinions less persuasive.

[355] Dr. Farley stated during cross-examination that some of her opinions on prostitution were formed prior to her research, including "that prostitution is a terrible harm to women, that prostitution is abusive in its very nature, and that prostitution amounts to men paying a woman for the right to rape her".

[356] Accordingly, for these reasons, I assign less weight to Dr. Farley's evidence (emphasis added)
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You claim that Farley was not the source of your statement about PTSD-well I beg to differ .Farley’s paper (here
states (p56 point 7 “The severity of PTSD symptoms of participants in this study were in the same range as treatment-seeking combat veterans…”) this claim you find re-cycled through abolitionist web –sites sometimes the citation is given sometimes not. So while you yourself may not have lifted it directly from Farley that is undoubtedly its original source.

men who use prostitutes develop elaborate cognitive schemes to justify purchase and use of women

If tangoman is a punter then it rather proves this point.

Hi you can make money using just your phone and a pushbike.
UberEATS
Deliveroo
Quiqup

You can pick when you want to work. With UberEATS you can turn you app on whenever you want and turn it off whenever you want sometimes you can make £18 an hour. I have heard of people making £700 in 10 days.

With deliveroo and quiqup they give you shifts.
There is also
Urban massage and
Handy

For urban massage you wed certificates and insurance
For handy you need to be able to clean.

I live in north Kensington these are the types of jobs that the young men and women do in my area.

You also get tips etc.

See where your degree takes you first. Only 30% of the adult population have a degree so you're more likely to earn more than most.

Escorting should only be a last resort. I completely understand why you do it in your position.

Interesting and predictably depressing thread.

OP you have a relatively new baby and sound very isolated and lonely. I wonder that you are hoping for some pretty woman experience. Maybe you are just horny and lonely and skint so combine these 3 aspects and come up with 'escort'.

I am so sick of seeing the happy hooker bullshit being trotted out- I agree with previous posters. Sorry, but you have to be model gorgeous to be a high end hooker. The overweight, overtired, or 'kooky' looking women invariably end up as the 'dominatrix' (fisting men in hideous plastic leatherette pants).

It is a desperate industry and no one wins. Where I live, prostitutes have started using twitter to 'pal up' with people and chat like the commodity they are offering is just so cool and ok. It isn't. Everyone is so confused now about not offending people that they engage.

Its no fucking wonder kids are confused and over sexualised. I am so sick of porn and the fucking grim sex industry being shoved in my face.

Is everyone so priapic or wet they need servicing day in day out?? Get a fucking hobby.