To be insanely fucking angry at this reporting...

[WankingMonkey]

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/truth-female-sex-offenders/

Articles about record number of female criminals, lead with a picture of a transwoman. Rises in reported 'female' crime...ignoring that figures will be screwed from this day on given MALE crimes are logged as by females. And so on.

I am actually fucking raging about this and cannot vent anywhere except here as I would be deleted.

Surely noone actually thinks this is right?!

[DianaMemorialJam]

As far as I can see, the trans-hate (better term?) is used as a bonus facet to the man-hate frequently on show here

I will correct this for you

As far as I can see, the term 'trans-hate' is used as a shout down mechanism for women protecting and defending themselves.

You're welcome.

[stitchglitched]

WebSocket how do you think the victims of male rapists being labelled as female feel?

When I was raped I didn't fight back because my rapist was a man. I suffered injuries due to being penetrated by a penis. In the traumatic aftermath of my assault I had the additional stress of having to find emergency contraception and then the hell of praying my period would come. That was unique to my rapist being a man. Biology fucking matters.

[DianaMemorialJam]

stitch

[FairfaxAikman]

Don't blame the reporting, blame the morons who decided to record trans women under "crimes committed by females".

[Trifleorbust]

And here we go again...

[DianaMemorialJam]

[jellyfrizz]

Don't blame the reporting, blame the morons who decided to record trans women under "crimes committed by females".

I think we can blame the reporting as Hauxwell was charged as a man according to another article in the same paper :

The string of sex assaults took place in the Newton Aycliffe area in 2001 and 2002. Hauxwell, who was born in Darlington and still has links to the town, had been charged with the offences in 2015 under the name Craig John Hauxwell.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/06/gender-sex-offender-bbc-crimewatch-appeal-attacker-could-living/

[UnbornMortificado]

Stitch

It's all just batshit.

[ArcheryAnnie]

I've just complained to the BBC that the reporting on Hauxwell. including the BBC Crimewatch "wanted" page, uses the pronouns "she" and claims that "she may be living as a man".

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/vz0g2KwjxYsG1dDFGQGlWx/lisa-hauxwell

If you have a male body, and were raised male, and (repeatedly) committed a male crime using your male penis while presenting as male, as you have done for most of your 48 years on earth, and if you are now "living as a man", then it makes no sense to use female pronouns or to treat the name "Lisa" as anything other than an alias. It's incredibly dangerous and misleading for a "wanted" page to make people think that they should be looking out for a woman when they are in reality in danger from a crossdressing male rapist.

The BBC comment line is 0370 010 0222, by the way.

[WankingMonkey]

Her opening sentence contains the name of the male in the photograph. She doesn't get to distance herself from it

Indeed...pretty poor excuse. And I would kind of like to know how she separates male women from women in this research, given the police themselves record on 'gender identity' rather than sex. And yes, I had actually not thought (yet) about these 2 'female' rapists going to the female prison too. Such a sad state of affairs

To the poster who asked why I was raging...is it not obvious?! It takes only a couple of cases like this recorded as women and the stats are drastically altered. What angers me also is that we are unable to call out this rubbish without being accused of transphobia...or 'tranny hate' as is said on here

[webSocket]

less men fancy dressing as women anyway

Is that the way you see it? I'd always thought it must be like being gay. I've never really cared if it is nature, nurture or choice. If you're happy and not making others' lives worse then crack on. Whatever the cause or reason, I suspect it makes the person's life much more difficult. I doubt many if any 'become' trans on a whim or because they fancy it.

It will change once enough people realise what a load of bullshit it is and with intolerance growing and liberal attitudes starting to diminish

Apparently so, having read a few threads about it on MN.

Funny how women standing up for themselves is deemed to be man hating.

I can't see anyone standing up for themselves, they're just joining in a nastily-toned hate-mob against "the trans juggernaut". What aspect of yourself are you defending? 'Women' being a closed class?

WANTING EQUALITY IS NOT MAN-HATING! IT IS WANTING EQUALITY!

I couldn't agree more. I wish more people would agree with us.

Its odd how men standing up for themselves isnt classed as women hating.

Yet it is. It's called misogyny or the patriarchy and if a woman stands up for a man it's internalised misogyny. If someone defends a man then they're an MRA and, in years of asking, no one has given a reasonable explanation as to why MRA is derogative.

WebSocket how do you think the victims of male rapists being labelled as female feel?

They probably feel raped. Rape is rape. No is no.

You clearly obviously know better than me how you felt and I don't want to make someone's life more difficult who is talking about a terrible incident from a first person perspective.

As far as I can see, the term 'trans-hate' is used as a shout down mechanism for women protecting and defending themselves.

But I can't see how this damages 'women'. I had about that man/woman mentioned in the OP's link. I didn't think about their sex or gender. I didn't think about how it was harming me as a woman. I read with disgust about that person's actions.


It's incredibly dangerous and misleading for a "wanted" page to make people think that they should be looking out for a woman when they are in reality in danger from a crossdressing male rapist.

If I read "now living as a man", I would be looking for a man in a dress. I don't see how this in dangerous.

It takes only a couple of cases like this recorded as women and the stats are drastically altered.

What stats and how do we need them to ensure women's rights are protected or, does it in fact make no difference? Police tend to use victim stats much more than perpetrators meaning a female rape victim is still regarded as such and a male too.

What angers me also is that we are unable to call out this rubbish without being accused of transphobia...or 'tranny hate' as is said on here

I feel the same frustrations when reading MRA.

[hackmum]

'If I read "now living as a man", I would be looking for a man in a dress. I don't see how this in dangerous.'

Really? If I read "now living as a man", I most certainly would not be looking for a man in a dress.

[webSocket]

@hackmum

Should have said "now living as a woman", as I assume you guessed.

[webSocket]

@hackmum

Should have said "now living as a woman", as I assume you guessed.

[DianaMemorialJam]

But I can't see how this damages 'women'.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? It has been outlined in detail on MANY threads how this is damaging for women.

I'm not sure whether this is deliberate goadiness or genuine ignorance on your part tbh. Either way, you need to have a word with yourself.

[stitchglitched]

'Rape is rape.'

There are specific consequences for victims that are unique to rape by a man. Or did Craig Hauxwell's victims not need to worry about unwanted pregnancy on account of him apparently now being a woman?

'Now living as a woman'

What part of living as a woman involves forcibly penetrating people with your penis?

[moofolk]

and no doubt would request to be put into a women's prison...

[DianaMemorialJam]

Oh and particular round of applause Web for minimising the damage caused by rape on female victims.

Fucking fuckety fucking hell.

[DianaMemorialJam]

Oops x post with stitch

[DianaMemorialJam]

Apparently that's fine, moo. We're bigots for not wanting category A male prisoners on female prison wings. Bigots I tell you!

[badabeedabom]

What part of living as a woman involves forcibly penetrating people with your penis?

Spot on.

[ToastDemon]

I think it's just Japab after a name change due to the sharting incident.
As such all of his posts can safely be ignored.

[xStefx]

Im trying to make sense of it all - can someone humour me please about the following: (I posted similar on another thread)

If a guy says he is born in the wrong body - then it seems like we have to bend over backwards to accommodate "her" and treat her like a woman

So does this mean: If a guy says "im a fucking kangaroo (or your preferred animal) in a mans body" does that mean we would have to bend over backwards to treat him like a fucking kangaroo? does that mean if he raped someone the heading would read "kangaroo raped woman" with a pic of an obvious man!

It all gone bonkers - where does it stop

If men and woman being born in the wrong body is a real thing, then why do we not hear of any cases of when they should of been another animal? Its all bollocks, people should be happy with who and what they were born with.

I was born with a vagina, therefore im a female genetically and cant change that, if he was born with a penis then he is male genetically. Who cares about whether your personality is male or female, its just your personality. My dd said she wanted to be a cat - should I have accommodated this?

This makes me so angry!

[PoochSmooch]

I'm with you on the rage, OP.

And as for "why it matters" - here's why. Violent crime by women is rare. A tiny percentage - something like 2% of violent crime is committed by women. The trans population is increasing dramatically on the back of moves towards self-identification as a legal concept. Studies have shown that trans women maintain a male level of offending after transition. So the problems are:

If you record someone's preferred gender when they commit a crime, but not their sex (which is becoming the guidance), then we don't actually know what crime is committed by male born people and female born people.

There have been indications that this is not done consistently - the police record in preferred gender, but the ONS gathers data on offending by birth sex.

This data is used to plan for things like prison places, resources etc. If there is perceived to be a spike in women offending, what will agencies do in response to that? And what will they do when the increase in female prison populations actually turns out to be an increase in trans populations. There are 3,900 women in prison in England and Wales and 78,000 men. Now I am no number cruncher, but if just 1% of the 78,000 decide to identify as women (that's what percentage of the population trans activists reckon is non gender conforming, I believe) then that's 780 additional prisoners going into the womens estate, which increases from 3900 to 4680 - that's a huge jump.

So that's the practical impact. We have no meaningful way to gather data any more. Then there's the impact on women - if we cannot name the problem of male violence, because we can't say what male violence is then we are put in the position of never being able to address it. All we will be able to say is "Well, some people are violent, aren't they? Wonder why?". No hope of anything changing, ever.

So yes, there is an impact. And if someone with greater numerical skills than me wants to run those numbers properly, have at it! For illustrative purposes only.