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AIBU?

To be insanely fucking angry at this reporting...

239 replies

WankingMonkey · 07/03/2017 19:00

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/truth-female-sex-offenders/

Articles about record number of female criminals, lead with a picture of a transwoman. Rises in reported 'female' crime...ignoring that figures will be screwed from this day on given MALE crimes are logged as by females. And so on.

I am actually fucking raging about this and cannot vent anywhere except here as I would be deleted.

Surely noone actually thinks this is right?!

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Beachcomber · 08/03/2017 08:29

Because the criminal as called a woman and not a trans-man? What effect does that have on you and your life or any aspect of it?"

Because it makes a fucking mockery of women's struggle against male violence.

KateDaniels2 · 08/03/2017 08:30

Of course it matters.

If a crime was being committed by a white person, but recorded as a crime committed by a black person there would be outrage.

Or if the story was about crime committed by black people was accompanied by a photo of a white criminal...would that be ok?

amispartacus · 08/03/2017 08:32

I'm not sure how the author of that article hoped to be taken seriously when she opened with this statement:

"Last night, Crimewatch covered the case of Lisa Hauxwell: a sex offender who could be living as a either man or a woman. On the run from a 14-year prison sentence, the offender has not been seen since being convicted of a string of rapes and sexual assaults committed between 2001-2002"

"It has become, sadly, typical to hear of appeals for information on male sex offenders - yet when the perpetrator is female, it always seems much more shocking. But why? The fact is most people know very little about female perpetrated sex crimes and what they do know is often far from accurate"

She must have realised that there are a lot of issues around this and that her focus on this person would distract from anything she has to say on female sex offenders.

The rest of the article is about female sex offenders

"There have been numerous other cases considered in UK courts in recent years of teachers, teaching assistants or other child care workers who sexually abuse the children or young people entrusted into their care. These women almost always abuse alone and usually against one victim."

But all that has been lost because of the opening paragraph.

OhWotIsItThisTime · 08/03/2017 08:33

Is the crime recorded as a prosecution against a woman, or is the newspaper just reporting it like that?

MaidOfStars · 08/03/2017 08:34

Her opening sentence contains the name of the male in the photograph. She doesn't get to distance herself from it.

Time for a Twitter account, I think.

webSocket · 08/03/2017 08:36

Because we all live in hope that one day some high up man will look at the figures...

I've aimed a little higher.

a tactic lovingly employed by MRAs

Ah, MRA's scum of the earth. Don't they know it needs to be about us women, all the time? Stupid men, eh?

It's no shock that mumsnet is one of the few places we can discuss these things without being deleted or ostracised.

Yes, it's getting quite a name for it's tranny-hate.

Because it's one of the very few places where women are allowed to have their say, where men's views don't take priority.

stitchglitched · 08/03/2017 08:37

In addition to it skewing the stats it must also be very upsetting for the victims of this particular individual to have to witness everyone falling over themselves to call him a woman. He violated his victims with his penis, they may have been put at risk of pregnancy and had to deal with all that entails. If ever there is a time when biology trumps identity it is when men use their physicality to overpower and rape women.

amispartacus · 08/03/2017 08:38

Her opening sentence contains the name of the male in the photograph. She doesn't get to distance herself from it

This. That's her defence on Twitter. But she wrote the article. It also does deflect from a discussion on sexual violence committed by women - which is the whole purpose of her PhD.

ToastDemon · 08/03/2017 08:38

webSocket I'm struggling to see your point tbh beyond a clear dislike of women.
And the sex criminal in question is a transwoman not a transman.

KateDaniels2 · 08/03/2017 08:39

Given your postinh, I can see why women having the right to speak about things that impact them without having to bow to people with a penis would baffled you.

AyeAmarok · 08/03/2017 08:42

Oh for Christ's sake. And you just know that these "new" crime stats will be used at some stage to justify why women should not have DV funding/safe spaces/female toilets.

bsbabas I think you're on the wrong thread

DianaMemorialJam · 08/03/2017 08:45

I posted that article about that Lisa person on fb to Paris lees but never got a response

KateDaniels2 · 08/03/2017 08:49

I dont get it. If the article is about crimes committed by people with vaginas and doesnt include stats including tranwomen.

Why does she start off talking about a rapist who does not have a vagina?

How can she possibly distance herself from the photo?

I would love to see another, more extensive, study into the crime rates of trans people. The last study suggested that trans people commit crime at the same rate as the gender they were born as. So transwomen commit crime at the same levels as men.

pincha · 08/03/2017 08:50

I can easily imagine the writer submitted her piece without the reference to Hauxwell, but some editor added in the first paragraph to make it 'topical'.

DianaMemorialJam · 08/03/2017 08:51

Because the criminal as called a woman and not a trans-man?

You mean trans WOMAN. A trans man is someone born female that presents as a man. HTH

And for the record, yes, I'm fucking raging too. Women's lives matter I'm afraid.

DianaMemorialJam · 08/03/2017 08:53

Yes, it's getting quite a name for it's tranny-hate

Pretty sure 'tranny' is considered offensive too.

You're showing yourself up to be a bit of an ignorant bigot, aren't you?

pincha · 08/03/2017 08:54

And it worked, we're all talking about it.

I'm pretty sure when newspapers/TV refer to transwomen as women and use pictures that clearly show they are not women, they know exactly what they are doing. They know the response from 99% of the population will be to say - but that's a man!?

But for some reason noone is allowed to state that, even to state they're a transwomen. Emperor's new clothes and then some.

webSocket · 08/03/2017 10:00

You mean trans WOMAN. A trans man is someone born female that presents as a man. HTH

It does. Thanks. I'd been wrong.

Pretty sure 'tranny' is considered offensive too

Not by the "tranny" who used it themselves on a recent thread. I wasn't trying to offend transsexual or transgender people.

You're showing yourself up to be a bit of an ignorant bigot, aren't you?

No. Quite the opposite in fact.

Women's lives matter I'm afraid.

I fail to see how this article suggests that they don't. It doesn't "make a mockery of wome's struggles" or anything of the sort. You can argue about semantics and gender vs sex and whether this report was correct or incorrect and whether women in prison are in danger because of the "trans movement" but they aren't and it won't make any differences.

As far as I can see, the trans-hate (better term?) is used as a bonus facet to the man-hate frequently on show here.

SleepFreeZone · 08/03/2017 10:04

I would say that everyone knows it is nollocks in the same way that none of us should believe any of the ridiculous statistics that get fabricated daily.

It will change once enough people realise what a load of bullshit it is and with intolerance growing and liberal attitudes starting to diminish I suspect we'll get to a point where less men fancy dressing as women anyway.

DianaMemorialJam · 08/03/2017 10:16

web that's utter bollocks.

Articles like that go towards proving that self identifying to the police is going to skew statistics of violence perpetrated by women. How can you not see a problem there?!

The 'fear of misgendering' is creating a world where we can't look at someone like 'Lisa' and say 'THAT IS A MAN!!!!!!!!!'

We're all fucked.

treaclesoda · 08/03/2017 10:17

Funny how women standing up for themselves is deemed to be man hating.

Whereas men hating women and harming them is just... natural? Normal? I don't really know tbh, but it certainly seems to be that society doesn't generally see it as problem.

FlaviaAlbia · 08/03/2017 10:27

Yup treacle. You'd think women go around raping and murdering men all the time the way some MRA's get on.

StrangeLookingParasite · 08/03/2017 10:29

As far as I can see, the trans-hate (better term?) is used as a bonus facet to the man-hate frequently on show here.

Oh what a load of knee-jerk rubbish.

Applebite · 08/03/2017 10:40

As far as I can see, the trans-hate (better term?) is used as a bonus facet to the man-hate frequently on show here

Won't somebody think of the poor men? I mean, they're just so under-represented in every government/boardroom/court/army/police service/monarchy/area of life. There is just nobody to speak up for them

WANTING EQUALITY IS NOT MAN-HATING! IT IS WANTING EQUALITY!

KateDaniels2 · 08/03/2017 10:47

Funny how women standing up for themselves is deemed to be man hating.

This

Its odd how men standing up for themselves isnt classed as women hating.

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