To think this is another new evil low of the tories

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www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/housing-benefit-young-people-18-21-scrapped-universal-credit-exemptions-a7610581.html
But on the other hand corporation tax is being lowered.

Reallt? What problems are as devastating as not being able to feed your family or put a roof over their head? Please tell me the terrible problems rich people face that are just as bad as the ones that poor people face.

CallingGloria you sound pretty unpleasant.

Very few problems money can't solve or make easier to deal with too. Also you have no idea how we vote except in my case neither labour nor Tory. You are coming across as a stereotypical Tory voter but I wouldn't presume.

Gardengeek I wish you youngsters would start your own party, preferably socialist in nature.

Reallt? What problems are as devastating as not being able to feed your family or put a roof over their head? Please tell me the terrible problems rich people face that are just as bad as the ones that poor people face

and you question my post?? You sound as ignorant as you are trying to make me sound

and you question my post?? You sound as ignorant as you are trying to make me sound

So no answer then?

Yep no answer no surprise.

Gardengeek you could well be right.

More homeless youth means more young people joining the military to support themselves. Win for big business.

"How does a homeless person get a job. Just answer that.
CallingGloria
The same as all young people."

Really?

Ok then, which of my 2 composite young candidates will get the job?

The gaunt, spotty homeless kid who turns up for interiew in a grubby, creased jacket that smells fustier as the office central heating warms it- and her - up, of damp and dirt from the rain soaked pavement on which she'd managed to get her head down for a few hours before being woken and moved on by security guards. Her jeans stained brown with dried menstrual blood where she had 'leaked' but had nowhere to go to wash and change. The one with no address and no id who cannot prove she really holds the qualifications on the grubby, creased CV printed on to jobcentre headed paper and pulled from her pocket and placed on the desk. along with half a flaky sausage roll and a dog end roll up?

Or the bright, smart, well fed and well scrubbed middle class boy, university educated, at his parents' cost, still living in their warm, comfortable family home with the sought after address, (driving license as proof; his parents paid for lessons for his 17th birthday and brought him a car for his 18th) ised to eating good food daily, and sleeping nightly in a clean comfortable bed? His certificates were lovingly framed by his proud SAHM, his CV up to date and freshly printed out on the family WiFi printer in the study?

Do they really believe they have the same chance of getting the job, Gloria?

they, as in, you

Not a Labour supporter either, I no longer know which party I support.

Gloria, I'd give more credence to your comments if you actually answered the questions people have posed.

Everyone has problems, I get that.

However I will stick my neck out and say not being able to feed your family and struggling to keep a roof over your head are huge problems nobody should face in this current day and age.

If you live in relative comfort with no money worries then you can still have problems but your most basic needs in life won't be one of them. That's a huge plus.

if your parents kick you out, or you cannot live with them due to abuse, or you are already homeless, or a plethora of other reasons, you ARE entitled to housing benefit.

But if your parents are abusing you but don't kick you out you are stuck.

This is all an utter disgrace. But I don't know why we are surprised!!

Is it right that young people who have never worked should have access to independent housing when others get themselves to school/college everyday, work hard and achieve qualifications gain employment and work for their housing costs?

How about the fact that abuse has to be proved? Emotional abuse is virtually impossible to prove, financial abuse extremely difficult, sexual abuse doesn't always leave physical evidence neither does physical abuse (or is explained away by abuser who may be a 'pillar of the community')!

Just look how hard it is to even get violent rapists convicted!

Is it right that some young people are abused - live in chaotic homes either drink or drugs or mental health issues? Are carers for disabled parents or siblings? Live in unheared homes where there is little food or correct clothes?
Is it right they come home to violence?
They have nowhere to do homework or peace to study or help with homework - no parents to support them at school or help with basic washing or cooking skills -

No? Well put our most vulnerable on the streets then

"Is it right that young people who have never worked should have access to independent housing when others get themselves to school/college everyday, work hard and achieve qualifications gain employment and work for their housing costs?"

Give me strength!

If they're vulnerable/disadvantaged YES.

Not EVERY child has a supportive pro-education home life. Not EVERY child is academically able.

Handouts are given to the privileged too - just in a different way!

See
digitalsynopsis.com/inspiration/privileged-kids-on-a-plate-pencilsword-toby-morris/

Strength??

I do think some on here just panic at what they read in the Guardian and repeat rhetoric, rather than have actual experience and knowledge.

8 years mired in the benefits system myself, 2 friends who work with people on benefits, 1 friend who works with the homeless. Plenty of patients who were dealing with it at the sharp end when I was a nurse. Family and friends dealing with it in various ways (yes even those working full time as if you're on a low wage you can't afford to live on that alone unless you're from a wealthy background or have something like a lottery win to subsidise you!).

Don't get my information from msm as don't trust it, get my information from a combination of support and pressure groups and governments own published information, I never trust anything from only one source but check it.

I do peruse the msm and alternative groups as it's just good sense to know what those who disagree are thinking. Doesn't make it any less frustrating or disheartening though.

Gloria Nobody is making you sound ignorant, you're managing perfectly well all on your own and it would be appreciated if you could stop dropping your prejudices all over the place, you're making it messy.

42 years ago, at the age of sixteen, my Mother hit me for the last time.
I walked out. I walked out on having to do all the cooking, cleaning, shopping, washing (no washing machine) for five people, and whichever man my mother happened to have trailing around after her at the time. I had no idea where I was going but knew that if I stayed I'd end up in an institution or dead. I just needed to escape the constant, and I do mean constant abuse. I spent a couple of nights on the common, and then by sheer luck (somebody who knew what she was like) gave me a part time job and subbed me some wages upfront. I got a bedsit and from there some benefits. I was 28 by the time I got to university. I was married with a child and had my own house. None of this would have happened if it hadn't been for the combination of benefits being available and the sheer luck of knowing someone who was aware of the abuse I had suffered all of my life.
So, Gloria, that's why some people should have benefits and safe housing available to them. Some of those young people will move on and become productive members of society. Others, for various reasons may not, but when you've come out of a difficult situation, perhaps it's not for us to judge how people cope with the fall out.

I do wonder how the tory voters live with themselves.

You have to be a hard hearted bastard to agree with what they have done to the poor and disabled and now this. I wonder if they read the threads, especially the ones about PIP and disabled people having to suffer even more and feel any regret?