To think this is another new evil low of the tories

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www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/housing-benefit-young-people-18-21-scrapped-universal-credit-exemptions-a7610581.html
But on the other hand corporation tax is being lowered.

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gloria there are going to be further cuts for families as well. Do you really expect no more cuts for families whilst others, with no family possibly ill, are made homeless.

I'm not having a go here, but you do realise don't you your children (assuming you have them) will be those ages one day? Will your attitude still be the same when your child is in need and told no? If they get ill will you expect them to have help?

Only wealthy people vote tory? Laughable. The working classes are flocking in droves. Plenty of articles out there for people to research why.

What about care leavers
They have no families, what will happen to them

It doesn't apply to care leavers I believe.

Driving I did not say that only wealthy people vote Tory, only that wealthy people are more likely to vote Tory, which historically has always been the case. I haven't done any research but would suspect that people affected by these cuts may well be more likely to fall into the category of not voting at all, especially if they end up sofa-surfing.

I don't know how tory voters sleep at night if they take a good hard look at some of the policies.

Its terrifying how devoid of empathy they must be.

It's the I'm Alright Jack so everyone else can sink brigade. They really, really don't care about the vulnerable. Who are these people who vote for them? I've never met one

I think it's a huge worry. However, I'm not surprised attempts at cuts are being made. Thinking about my extended family, cousins etc if we were to be living on an island say all together there is one full time worker. Yes, one. If he had to support us all, I don't think it would be possible and maintain current standards. He would have to take down a boar daily to feed us all! I guess that's shocking, but as a society that sort of thing is replicated and we don't have the working populous to maintain Standards that we have become used to in recent years.

make no mistake, the young people are fully aware that this government is fucking them over

Did they vote?

Takes a lot to shock me now, but this did:

The disability benefits of man with no legs were cut "because he could climb stairs with his arms"**

Luckily for him, a Community Law Centre successfully helped him appeal.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/disability-benefits-man-julius-holgate-no-legs-cut-government-pip-climb-stairs-with-arms-dwp-a7606416.html

astro55 do they even understand how voting works? I know people who struggle to understand how voting works in this country.

bigchoc my best friend died over Christmas - she had terminal cancer. All of her benefits had been stopped in November because she didn't die by the date given on her benefits form by her consultant (necessary for a date to be given now to claim under terminal rules, prior to that she was on ESA work group). She died with an eviction notice and thousands of pounds on credit cards.

Her mandetory reconsideration was refused - she wasn't dead so needed to reapply with a different condition as her cancer wasn't terminal. Her post was redirected to me for me to sort out after her death that's how I know what it said.

Everyone thinks there's a safety net because of this crap about 'the genuine are protected'. They aren't.

So sorry about your friend Becca what an awful cruel callous way to treat someone with a terminal illness.

As a wise person once said.. "why vote..the government always gets in"

Utter hateful fuckers.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/the-last-leg-diability-cuts_uk_58ba72f0e4b05cf0f400d555

Families are being hit also , my friend finds out on monday whether or not she still has a job they are laying people off because they oversretched themselves and now cant afford to keep the original staff on . At the moment she is low paid so gets housing benefit , she went on the benefit calculator and because of the benefit cap if she isnt working and ends up on uc she will have to pay £400 of her £550 a mth rent instead of £ 150 even though she wont have wages ect to help she has spent most of the day applying for everything going but is completely stressed out and talking about giving custody of her kids to there dad as if she does get laid of she wont be able to afford to keep a roof over there heads or feed them . And thats the reality of tory government in 2017

Sorry about grammer ect am on lunch break during nightshift

CallingGloria Sat 04-Mar-17 18:14:06
I'd rather cuts to the 18-21s than further cuts to families.

So you would rather have this done to 18 to 21s purely on the basis that they havent got living proof that they have had sex without contraception.

Adam Hills for prime minister I say! I watch last leg every week. Last nights was shocking, but sadly true I fear - it's genocide of the disabled, the poor, the sick by stealth!

I keep hoping with policies like this it'll be an own goal for the tories as of course pensioners may be personally benefitting from certain changes BUT they also have families - children and grandchildren who are getting shafted! It's certainly true of the pensioners I know - my parents and friends parents - that they are no fans of the tories because of the effects on younger generations they care for.

"I'd rather cuts to the 18-21s than further cuts to families. They can at least find work or training, or somewhere to live easier than a family of four for example." Not true. I well remember being this age the last time these bastards were in! It's an employers market again and the stereotype they promote of workshy unreliable youngsters + lack of experience + poorer education due to cuts = no job offers.

"Well there aint much money about and after Brexit there may be less" there's money for

Bankers not having to repay bailout
Tax avoiders and evaders
Reduction in taxes for the rich/businesses
Mp's 2nd homes, flash cars and clothes, unnecessary international travel (have they not heard of Skype?), unnecessary 2nd homes (university/forces type accommodation would serve the purpose for when they visit Westminster, accommodation blocks could include well equipped dining rooms and kitchens for entertaining purposes)

The money IS there they just don't want it going to the 'oiks'

YY Graphista Back in the 90s it was the childless who were expected to take £50 a week jobs. With no working tax credit for the childless back then either.

My rent alone back then was £48 a week.

Basically back then if you didnt have kids you were screwed. And as the exemption is the 18 to 21s with kids this policy is obviously based on the same principles.

Pregnancy in young people may soar. Some may feel they have no choice.

I earned £90 pw in my first full time job at 18 (waitress). I got lunch thrown in (£1.50 limit so sandwich n a drink).

Rent for a room in a house share was £40 pw, work was in walking distance (no wonder I was skinny then!!)

That left £50 a week for
Food (+ transport to get it, nearest supermarket was 5 miles away no online shopping then)
Clothes (went through shoes a fair bit in that job plus had to provide own workwear)
Toiletries & personal cleaning products

I remember that left me £10 'pocket money' unless I needed to use that money for sanitary stuff or haircut or whatever. And I was considered doing well by my peers! Because I got tips (not so much in off season from locals, better when tourists were around), and pay was higher than a lot of their jobs (in shops factories) IF they had a job, many took years to find work, did additional training IF they could get a place, a few were 'lucky' to get YTS placements (a whole £29 a week I think). Imo modern apprenticeships are no different to YTS.

Most stayed at home as they couldn't afford to move out. THAT put more financial pressure on their parents who of course often had other children they were trying to support too. So if tories think this doesn't affect 'ordinary working families' they're taking the piss!

I was desperate to move out due to a toxic violent abusive home life (which I wouldn't have been able to prove).

A lot of people of my generation ended up in unhappy/unsafe relationships partly as a result of this type of policy, by rushing into living together/marrying and having children as they couldn't afford to live alone PLUS benefits were more available for families than single childless people.

It certainly was the case for my best friend who also had an abusive home life who married an abusive man as a means of escape (she didn't know he was abusive at first). Thankfully she's out of that situation now.

Education, NHS, social housing, disability benefits - is there anything that the cynical, ruthless fuckers haven't turned to shit?

There are a lot of very angry people in this country. What will it take before we all stand up to tell them 'enough'?

This.

All of her benefits had been stopped in November because she didn't die by the date given on her benefits form by her consultant

WTAF! So sorry to hear that Becca. This shit show cannot keep going on for much longer, surely not, can it??