To think this is another new evil low of the tories

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www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/housing-benefit-young-people-18-21-scrapped-universal-credit-exemptions-a7610581.html
But on the other hand corporation tax is being lowered.

As is explained on every thread like this, cuts against the poor are a deliberate policy choice

Absolutely.

I think calling all Tories bastards would convince them to vote otherwise, yes.. hmm

I happen to agree with some of their policies before I get flamed.*

Carrie it's not up to others on this site to 'convince' you to vote for anything. I presume you are an adult, yes? In which case, you must vote as your own conscience dictates.

Highlighting fail... just want to point out that the 'I happen to agree with some of their policies' was Carrie, not me.
The Tory party is absolutely the last political party I would ever consider voting for [except perhaps for BNP or UKIP].

Mp's 2nd homes, flash cars and clothes, unnecessary international travel (have they not heard of Skype?), unnecessary 2nd homes (university/forces type accommodation would serve the purpose for when they visit Westminster, accommodation blocks could include well equipped dining rooms and kitchens for entertaining purposes)

So this will be Labour MPs as well- or is it just the bastard Tories?

Oh I'd absolutely apply it to ALL mp's - maybe then we'd get politicians doing it for the right reasons!

Yes career politicians are the problem, across all parties. They don't care past their own stint in power so there is no long term strategy or unpopular policy.

Yes it shouldn't be a career, they should have worked in 'the real world' before becoming an mp AND not just as lawyers/bankers either.

Trudeau's cabinet with people like teachers in the education dept Drs in health etc is how it should be.

"House of commons" - what a laugh! I wouldn't class the public-school educated section of our society "commoners".
And the use of our money to bail the banks and move spongers tennis courts four foot to improve the view is a clue to why no money can be found for the people in society most needy of it.

"House of commons" - what a laugh! I wouldn't class the public-school educated section of our society "commoners".

Now that I do agree with you.

I don't agree with the perks the MP's get and the Labour MP's were every bid as bad as the Tories for scrounging off the taxpayer. But I'd agree with young people between 18-21 being given Housing Benefit only in very exceptional circumstances.

SeaWitchly, you are right. I will never vote for Labour, and neither will my DH. Their policies and hypocrisy stink.

If thinking that benefit should go to disabled people, poor people who DESERVE it (i.e. not scroungers, not disabled people who post selfies while dancing on a cruise whlie saying they cannot walk at all, etc) make me a bastard, then I am proudly one. I absolutely hate people who turn it into a lifestyle choice. DH's relative quit his job after a day because he wanted to enjoy his drinks instead of working his butt off like the rest of us. Guess who he voted for?

Viviennemary and everyone who agrees with the ruling;

How is anyone supposed to get a job or go to evening classes when they live rough?
Secure housing comes first before people can do anything else to improve their lives.

But Baggy the 18-21s will still get other benefits and some will be exempt from the cut.

I think too many benefits could encourage a life of benefits.

Have we also seen that the widow/er benefit is being cut (which in itself I don't necessarily disagree with) "to help the bereaved adjust to single-parent life". George Orwell must be TURNING IN HIS FUCKING GRAVE at the amount of Newspeak around.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/03/bereavement-benefits-cut-to-help-people-readjust-to-life-as-single-parents

There are very very few current Conservative MPs who I wouldn't like to punch in the face. Ken Clarke, Anna Soubry.... nope, that's about it. And Philip Davies can have their punches.

MontyPythonsFlyingFuck throwing people under the bus gets them used to their new life of being thrown under a bus...

CallingGloria
How does a homeless person get a job. Just answer that.
How do people in areas of high unemployment get work?

Answer those problems before you chuck people out on the street.

Baggy The same as all young people.

As I said, those who are vulnerable are exempt. We need to move away from encouraging young people onto a life of benefits and encourage them into work or training.

All youngsters are vulnerable. All women are vulnerable. Everyone who has to actually work for a living, to cover living costs, is vulnerable. What jobs and training are there out there that poor youngsters can get in to?

The trouble we have, which no one has any real solutions too, is that we now have an economy which requires a lot of mouths consuming, but not as many producing. Those that are producing have to produce much more than in the past for much less. It seems to be an ever-decreasing spiral.

gloria the homeless cannot claim universal credit even for emergency accommodation. No one who is homeless, including families can. You must have a permenant contract for housing (minimum six months) to claim anything. That applies to everyone. They get nothing. Those living will families can claim individual components because their housing is free.

Exemptions are used so people think what you are. Did you know if someone in this group gets thrown out they must pay for mediation to be considered for housing? If they've had abusive homes and their family haven't been arrested and prosecuted they must go through mediation? DV? Same thing. Leaving care rule literally applies when you walk out the door from the care home, not retrospectively.

It's run by local authorities and mine is determined no one gets a penny if they can help it - example the number of bedrooms in a property in my county includes any room which meets a set criteria of size and a window, so literally you get a bedroom if on your own. In a bedsit you get one bedroom rate, in a flat with a lounge that's classed as two.

CallingGloria Put the work and training into place first.
Then put in place the penalties. People cant take opportunities that exist only in your mind.
This isnt Brazil, we dont want children growing up on the street, get over it.

there are charities to help people get into training and employment, and there are homeless shelters and charities to provide accommodation.

CallingGloria You seem to live in a parallel universe. I work with homeless and vunlerably housed people. In my city homelessness services, including hostel provision, including hostel provision for families and women fleeing domestic violence has been decreasing steadily and starkly since 2010. There aren't homeless shelters and charities to provide accomodation. That is just patently untrue. There are not enough beds in these shelters to accomodate all of the homeless people. My city has the second highest number of rough sleepers outside of London and it's not even a particularly huge city. How can you get homeless people, with debilitating mental health problems "into training and employment" when they can't even find a bed for the night or have anywhere to take a shower? You are talking absolute bollocks and I have no idea how you could possibly believe what you are saying. You clearly have never engaged with any of these homelessness shelters/charities you are claiming exist to provide for all because if you ever did they would be telling you what I'm telling you now (as I work with charities that feed the homeless and have links with those that provide accomodation). You should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

gloria No, there are not.

X-post meadow.

YY Meadow She sounds like a middle class privileged yummy mummy.

Who thinks ppl who dont want to or cant reproduce should be treated as second class citezens.

Back in the 90s i made the choice not to have children. You really think ppl shouldnt qualify for HB due to making this choice What about those who are infertile. And Meadow is quite right. There have been cutbacks galore.