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to think my niece is being neglected?

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Carlalala101 · 28/02/2017 22:39

I live very close to my sister and my ten year old niece; I look after her before and after school while my sister works and occasionally during the evenings or weekends if my sister goes out so DN and I are very close. My sister has been a single parent since DN was one and her ex sees DN on alternate weekends and for half of the holidays.

When she is with her dad, he (or someone he knows) collects her from school. She says he's often on his phone and continues this via Bluetooth during the 45 minute journey home. He then gets home and falls asleep as he's tired from his week at work. She then has unlimited access to his phone, ipad, tv and food cupboards. She's watched things which have given her nightmares for weeks before and even if he isn't asleep, he let's/encourages her to watch them. Her dad is morbidly obese and goes through cycles of gorging then surviving on smoothies. DN is naturally very greedy and doesn't know when to stop when it comes to food. He will buy her a large adult meal with milkshake plus an extra burger and ice cream at mcdonalds. When they went to Pizza Hut last week she said she had nine slices plus chips and ice cream. She giggles about eating ten biscuits or half a tube of pringles without him even noticing. She would never think to take food without permission at home or mine so I can only think he does know but doesn't stop her.

She is a soap dodger and hates brushing her teeth. My sister brushes them for her because otherwise she'll just pretend to do it and ended up with fillings last year. My sister chats with her while she showers to make sure she's washing, otherwise she just let's the water run for a bit then gets out. My DN doesn't care about being supervised and my DSIS figures when she does care she'll also care about washing properly. When she's at her dad's, he doesn't check on her tooth brushing or showering despite my sister having mentioned several times to him that DN is coming home smelly and sore. I picked her up from school on Monday and I could smell her breath and sweat immediately. She's on the cusp of puberty and does need to shower daily now. My sister has spoken to her about hygiene but DN doesn't care if she smells but then gets upset when she starts becoming sore down below.

DN says she goes to bed at the same time as her dad (I. E. late) waits for him to start snoring and then goes to get the ipad and snacks for herself. She is always extremely ratty on a Monday from lack of sleep. After she's finished on the ipad she gets into bed with him and he doesn't send her back to her room, despite DSIS having told him that it results in DN being extremely upset at home when DSIS won't let her share her bed.

My DSIS is exasperated with it all but thinks it's all just minor stuff that a court wouldn't be interested in so there's nothing she can do. I think DN is being neglected while with her dad and that my DSIS shouldn't keep letting it continue. DN is too immature to take responsibility for herself so I think DSIS should make sure things change. What do you think?

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llangennith · 01/03/2017 15:03

DN wouldn't be spending much time with lazy arse dad if she were my DD.
Sounds like your DSis enjoys the time she gets to herself when her DD is with her dad.
Many years ago I wasn't happy with the way access was going so I just stopped my 3 DC seeing much of their father. They didn't seem bothered and nor was he.

ghostspirit · 01/03/2017 15:06

What's does NT mean? If she is naive for her age does that mean it's more likely She could be taken advantage off?

Miserylovescompany2 · 01/03/2017 15:18

So every fortnight DN returns from her fathers visually red raw and sore down below. The new improved version of Sudocrem (magical variant) and a shower makes this disappear? But, her DM sees no problem as it only happening fortnightly?

She strips naked and does cartwheels around the house. Does she do this in every household she enters or is the naked floor show just for you? After you've quizzed DN about her weekend contact with her dad.

Does anyone gently encourage her to wear at least a pair of knickers when she decides to do cartwheels exposing the inner of her genitals? I can understand a toodler or very young child doing this, not at 10 YO. Unless there are underlying SN?

RiverdaleJughead · 01/03/2017 15:19

TBH I don't shower often ( maybe twice a week because it really hurts my eczema) and I've never been sore below unless I've had thrush or a UTI - is she wearing cotton knickers because it might be the material rather than lack of hygiene

LIZS · 01/03/2017 15:41

NT is neurotypical ie. No special needs or learning difficulties. I'm not sure this has actually been ruled out as her behaviour and resistance is not normal. Does her mother not step in to tell her to dress, wash, brush teeth. The odd day of not brushing teeth has not caused the fillings on its own, nor missing the odd shower make her sore. Her mother has her in her care for 12 nights out of every 14, she needs to instill age appropriate hygiene routines and boundaries. Maybe she doesn't need her ipad when spending the weekend away etc.

mummymeister · 01/03/2017 15:42

I really don't want to post this but feel I have to comment. one of the reasons that young girls don't wash or do anything about their personal hygiene or they over eat/make themselves fat is to make themselves unattractive to someone who is abusing them.

This would ring massive alarm bells with me. take this girl to the GP now and get her properly checked out.

it is not normal for a grown man to kick his girlfriend out to sleep in a spare room so he can share a bed with his pubescent daughter.

No - one gets a sore vagina due to not washing for a couple of days. they get sore because they are allergic to something, they have a rash or an illness. not just because they don't wash.

Op I honestly think you realise this and it is ringing bells in your head too. please do something, take her to the GP. risk the flac from your sister and him if it is something else but don't risk it being abuse that you just leave.

FilledSoda · 01/03/2017 15:53

clearly there are serious concerns being raised here and I don't want to be flippant but I just can't understand a ten year old NT girl doing naked cartwheels in her aunt's house, seriously?

Rixera · 01/03/2017 16:00

This thread is actually really upsetting, I would have been on the phone to children's services in a heartbeat if this conversation were in real life.
Please just do something. Don't ignore this poor girls's situation.

mathanxiety · 01/03/2017 16:08

Wrt a parent brushing teeth of a ten year old - it is currently recommended that parents brush teeth until children are well beyond the age when they would be doing most things for themselves. Dentists have finally understood that children miss most of their teeth when they brush. I do not think the mum brushing the child's teeth is anything to worry about - the opposite in fact.

But all the rest of it would have me looking for a good therapist to find out wtf is going on. I agree with the PP who points out that the lack of self care is a big issue, and I believe too that the exhibitionism is more than just 'naivete'.

I don't think anyone in this girl's immediate family on either side really understands appropriate boundaries.

mathanxiety · 01/03/2017 16:10

YYY to the comment about young girls making themselves unattractive, and I would also suggest many do not feel they are worth the investment of self care.

bigearsthethird · 01/03/2017 16:11

Children who have been sexually abused do often display behaviour that is deemed to be sexual, such as walking around naked or inappropriate kissing (or naked cartwheels). This is not the normal behaviour of a regular 10 year old girl. That and soreness together should be enough to get her to the doctors.
She is obviously telling you snippits and youre not helping her - the bed sharing, the coming in while she s in the shower.
Bloody interfere here and take her to a doctor/get some professional advice on how to handle this

itsmine · 01/03/2017 16:15

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Bluntness100 · 01/03/2017 16:18

This thread is concerning me a lot too. A ten year old girl who walks about naked and isn't concerned about people coming in when she is showering is deeply concerning, usually they have developed a natural desire to be private about their bodies at this stage. Coming home sore and red between her legs when she's been to her fathers. Unable to potentially wipe herself properly. Her father moving the girlfriend out so he can share a bed with her, his ten year old daughter.

It's not neglect, but it's very very very wrong on so many levels and if it's real it's deeply concerning for this girl.

CalmItKermitt · 01/03/2017 16:19

Even if this girl is "parading around naked" how can you see if she's sore down below?

And Pizza Hut don't do chips.

Bluntness100 · 01/03/2017 16:21

And who would look at a naked ten year old girl cartwheeling, and think "oh that's nice she's comfortable in my house" who would actually think that??

Rixera · 01/03/2017 16:30

Idk, calling her extremely naive like that seems a bit .. I don't know. A strange term. But that could be my own triggers.
I hope this is just a troll.

MrsJaniceBattersby · 01/03/2017 16:30

You need to speak to childrens services OP
Your DN may not know what sexual abuse is . lots of children are told its a way to show love
Please ring them

ApproachingATunnel · 01/03/2017 16:46

This doesnt sound like a close loving dad/daughter relationship at all:

  • prefers to be on the phone than talking to daughter
  • falls asleep upon coming home, again no interest in her
  • allows unlimited access to gadgets (that keep her entertained because he can't be bothered).

He seems however rather keen on her sleeping in the same bed...at 10! So much so that his own gf has to go sleep elsewhere... And in court he portrays himself as a dotting dad who misses his daughter just too muchHmm

I would take her to GP every time she's back and sore. To build up a case. And casually chat to niece to find out exactly what happens at dad's. I am also puzzled at your conviction that the soreness is definitely innocent. Just how would you know the difference?...

LovingLola · 01/03/2017 16:46

If you think that your sister's ex is sexually abusing your niece when she stays with him every second weekend - which I think is what you want people to tell you is happening - then you have a duty to report that, even if your sister disagrees.

TheWorldAccordingToToads · 01/03/2017 16:49

And Pizza Hut don't do chips.

They did when I went there about a year ago. They were quite nice actually. I liked them more than I liked the pizza that's for sure.

Carlalala101 · 01/03/2017 16:54

I can't say whether he is or not, I barely know him but I don't like what I do know. I agree so many things are wrong about the situation but am not sure if I think as far as abuse. DSIS has spoken to childrens services before and they say as long as DN likes bed sharing, it's fine.

The cartwheeling naked is on the way to the shower so putting knickers on is a bit redundant. But she'll not think twice of getting changed in public - I. E. At soft play or for gym class.

And pizza hut do sell chips, Google it!

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ClaireH26 · 01/03/2017 16:57

Vulvovaginitis is quite common in young girls and Dan be a result of poor personal hygiene- my 4 year old gets sore if she doesn't wash daily as her toilet habits are poor, it's almost like nappy rash (clears up with sudocrem), she's also very sensitive to bubble bath, soap etc, some kids are sensitive down there.

Rixera · 01/03/2017 17:05

That doesn't sound like what children's services would say if they had all the facts imho, and I asked for help to ensure my upbringing wasn't affecting my parenting.

Despite having no concerns they were still proactive on getting the case reviewed, sent to early help and reviewed again, then delegated out for community outreach. Even though each review deemed my parenting excellent and DD a healthy, happy baby.

With this information, why would they not have looked into it? Especially with hygiene and food/weight issues.

itsmine · 01/03/2017 17:07

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ApproachingATunnel · 01/03/2017 17:11

But you have sister on your side and in any case it will do no harm to show her to GP.

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