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AIBU?

to think my niece is being neglected?

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Carlalala101 · 28/02/2017 22:39

I live very close to my sister and my ten year old niece; I look after her before and after school while my sister works and occasionally during the evenings or weekends if my sister goes out so DN and I are very close. My sister has been a single parent since DN was one and her ex sees DN on alternate weekends and for half of the holidays.

When she is with her dad, he (or someone he knows) collects her from school. She says he's often on his phone and continues this via Bluetooth during the 45 minute journey home. He then gets home and falls asleep as he's tired from his week at work. She then has unlimited access to his phone, ipad, tv and food cupboards. She's watched things which have given her nightmares for weeks before and even if he isn't asleep, he let's/encourages her to watch them. Her dad is morbidly obese and goes through cycles of gorging then surviving on smoothies. DN is naturally very greedy and doesn't know when to stop when it comes to food. He will buy her a large adult meal with milkshake plus an extra burger and ice cream at mcdonalds. When they went to Pizza Hut last week she said she had nine slices plus chips and ice cream. She giggles about eating ten biscuits or half a tube of pringles without him even noticing. She would never think to take food without permission at home or mine so I can only think he does know but doesn't stop her.

She is a soap dodger and hates brushing her teeth. My sister brushes them for her because otherwise she'll just pretend to do it and ended up with fillings last year. My sister chats with her while she showers to make sure she's washing, otherwise she just let's the water run for a bit then gets out. My DN doesn't care about being supervised and my DSIS figures when she does care she'll also care about washing properly. When she's at her dad's, he doesn't check on her tooth brushing or showering despite my sister having mentioned several times to him that DN is coming home smelly and sore. I picked her up from school on Monday and I could smell her breath and sweat immediately. She's on the cusp of puberty and does need to shower daily now. My sister has spoken to her about hygiene but DN doesn't care if she smells but then gets upset when she starts becoming sore down below.

DN says she goes to bed at the same time as her dad (I. E. late) waits for him to start snoring and then goes to get the ipad and snacks for herself. She is always extremely ratty on a Monday from lack of sleep. After she's finished on the ipad she gets into bed with him and he doesn't send her back to her room, despite DSIS having told him that it results in DN being extremely upset at home when DSIS won't let her share her bed.

My DSIS is exasperated with it all but thinks it's all just minor stuff that a court wouldn't be interested in so there's nothing she can do. I think DN is being neglected while with her dad and that my DSIS shouldn't keep letting it continue. DN is too immature to take responsibility for herself so I think DSIS should make sure things change. What do you think?

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Carlalala101 · 28/02/2017 23:33

I don't know him that well but I do know he was abusive to my DSIS and is certainly emotionally abusive to DN. If his GF is there during contact he will get her to go to DNs bed IF DN wants to get into his which I think is a very odd dynamic.

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Carlalala101 · 28/02/2017 23:34

Saying she should isn't really helpful user. Fact is, she doesn't and it's causing discomfort so something should be done to improve things for her in my opinion.

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user1484539497 · 28/02/2017 23:36

My ex is exactly like this. It's lazy parenting but not neglect. Your sister is right, it isn't a good enough reason to stop contact.

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Allthewaves · 28/02/2017 23:36

Haven't you posted about this situation with dn and her father before?

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Carlalala101 · 28/02/2017 23:37

No allthewaves? Sadly I don't think it's that rare that poor care is acceptable from part time parents but reprehensible from full time parents.

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reuset · 28/02/2017 23:38

I thought the situation sounded a bit familiar.

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User543210 · 28/02/2017 23:38

I'm just saying, at that age these are things she should be doing off of her own back. It seems something has gone wrong in teaching her this and this should be addressed - I didn't mean to offend you.

If it was me I would be stopping contact with her father until he sorted himself out - is she having proper meals there or just snacking?

I also agree with PP about taking her to a doctor for her problems as it could be other things including thrush due to high sugar intake. The doc might also explain to her why it is important to wash from a medical point of view.

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Rixera · 28/02/2017 23:38

She comes home after the weekend sore after sharing his bed, having told you he walks in on her in the bathroom.
Because thats normal?

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WorraLiberty · 28/02/2017 23:40

I thought the situation was similar to something else I've read, but if I remember rightly (the person I'm thinking of) kept blaming her DD's obesity on fairly limited contact with her ex.

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Rixera · 28/02/2017 23:40

And no wonder she soap dodges if there's no knowing whether or not he's going to walk in. And she's on the cusp of puberty.
Kicking his gf out to share the bed with his daughter?
This is just not okay OP, not okay at all.

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PerspicaciaTick · 28/02/2017 23:41

I'd talk to your DSis, suggesting that she take your DN to the GP if she is continually sore - that isn't right and I'm not convinced that skipping a couple of washes would cause it unless there is some sort of underlying problem.

However, you do sound as though your priority is labelling the father rather than helping your niece.

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dataandspot · 28/02/2017 23:46

Are sure she is not exaggerating? Last time I visited Pizza Hut there were no chips on the menu.

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damnedgrubble · 28/02/2017 23:47

Is she wiping the wrong way, back to front? Don't answer that - I don't need to know but it's a possibility if she is getting sore.
Poor girl, for lots of reasons. It's certainly poor parenting and emotional neglect IMO.

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user1476968120 · 28/02/2017 23:47

Hmm.. From what you've posted and what you have said in your replies, I would definitely get her checked out. It does set off alarm bells for sexual abuse. She's sore down below? that doesn't come from ''not wiping properly'' and not washing, even for a week or more. There's definitely something not right with that!!

He kicks hos own girlfriend out of bed to allow his daughter to sleeping there with him instead... thats creepy.

I wonder why your sister doesn't stop contact if its that bad, Or why she even lets him have contact if he was abusive to her.

I don't know, it seems like a weird situation. Get her checked out. Better safe than sorry.

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Carlalala101 · 28/02/2017 23:47

I agree it's not okay Rixera. Unfortunately, court didn't when they were last there. My DSIS was portrayed as being twisted for suggesting the bed sharing is anything other than a loving father missing his daughter so desperately he can't bear to spend a moment apart Hmm

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Carlalala101 · 28/02/2017 23:50

She has been taught User, she just doesn't want to do them so she doesn't if not prompted and supervised. Same as she knows she should tidy her room/do homework/learn spellings but wouldn't off her own back.

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Carlalala101 · 28/02/2017 23:51

Having been abusive to the mother isn't a valid reason to prevent contact with the child in the eyes of the law.

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glitterazi · 28/02/2017 23:54

I'm no expert, but nothing you've said there is ringing alarm bells and screaming neglect.
Just sounds like she sees her Dad as a soft touch and is maximising XBox time and snacks when she's there.
At the age of 10, your sister cleans her teeth? Really? I don't clean my 10 year old's. At that age they really should have been taught to do it by themselves!
I'll give instructions. "Don't forget to clean your teeth! Make sure you do them PROPERLY! Back teeth, front teeth, and your "smile!"
I don't actually physically do it for them though.
DN says she goes to bed at the same time as her dad (I. E. late) waits for him to start snoring and then goes to get the ipad and snacks for herself.
How is that the Dad's fault though if she sneaks back downstairs when he's put her to bed and he's fallen asleep?!
Again, sounds like her taking advantage of the situation to me and getting some extra awake time! Smile

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glitterazi · 28/02/2017 23:55

Oh, and as for the sore down below bit for after a few days not showering? That really, really shouldn't be happening after a few days without a shower or bath or whatever.

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glitterazi · 28/02/2017 23:58

And it can't be from not showering for a few days no way, plenty of ten year olds/adults don't shower everyday

Just seen this - exactly! My young teen has to be practically forced into a bath or a shower lately. He'll get two a week at most lately. If I didn't make him, then he'd quite happily go weeks without a wash! smelly git Grin
It won't make them sore. Or it shouldn't be.

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WorraLiberty · 01/03/2017 00:00

I agree glitterazi

And as others have said, it's not ideal parenting but it doesn't scream neglect.

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user1476968120 · 01/03/2017 00:01

May I ask why aren't you responding to any comments about possible sexual abuse? You replied to my comment about the fact the law doesn't see past abuse on the mother as a reason to stop contact, but im not the only person who has suggested possible sexual abuse which is causing the soreness, but you are completely dodging the comments.

If you make such a point about the soreness... don't dodge comments about what the cause might be.

Just saying.

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ghostspirit · 01/03/2017 00:03

Sounds very worrying and there are alarm bells of sexual abuse. Could be wrong of course.

I might get shot for this but unless there are SN then I think a 10 year old should be doing her own teeth. And washing unsupervised.. you can tell if she's not washed as she will still smell. If she does send her straight back in. Keep doing it until she gets fed up. And in the end she will do it herself... I should not have thought doing them things for her are good for her development/ her learning to care for herself.

I'm not sure what to make of this thread it is worrying.

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glitterazi · 01/03/2017 00:08

She comes home after the weekend sore after sharing his bed, having told you he walks in on her in the bathroom.Because thats normal?

Eh? I'm lost. Where did the OP say he'd shared DN's bed?!

Unless you're referring to this bit.
If his GF is there during contact he will get her to go to DNs bed IF DN wants to get into his
I read that as DN wanting to get into her Dad's bed for comfort but Dad thinking "no" and sending his GF to comfort her in her bed instead... Confused
Oh and can we stop dripfeeding as it's getting bloody confusing! Smile

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Mumof4rascals · 01/03/2017 00:09

I would take your DN to the G.P urgently. The soreness needs to be seen by a medic and treated. It would worry me a great deal if that were my DN. I agree that your niece sounds quite delayed in her development. Does she have additional needs?

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