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to think my niece is being neglected?

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Carlalala101 · 28/02/2017 22:39

I live very close to my sister and my ten year old niece; I look after her before and after school while my sister works and occasionally during the evenings or weekends if my sister goes out so DN and I are very close. My sister has been a single parent since DN was one and her ex sees DN on alternate weekends and for half of the holidays.

When she is with her dad, he (or someone he knows) collects her from school. She says he's often on his phone and continues this via Bluetooth during the 45 minute journey home. He then gets home and falls asleep as he's tired from his week at work. She then has unlimited access to his phone, ipad, tv and food cupboards. She's watched things which have given her nightmares for weeks before and even if he isn't asleep, he let's/encourages her to watch them. Her dad is morbidly obese and goes through cycles of gorging then surviving on smoothies. DN is naturally very greedy and doesn't know when to stop when it comes to food. He will buy her a large adult meal with milkshake plus an extra burger and ice cream at mcdonalds. When they went to Pizza Hut last week she said she had nine slices plus chips and ice cream. She giggles about eating ten biscuits or half a tube of pringles without him even noticing. She would never think to take food without permission at home or mine so I can only think he does know but doesn't stop her.

She is a soap dodger and hates brushing her teeth. My sister brushes them for her because otherwise she'll just pretend to do it and ended up with fillings last year. My sister chats with her while she showers to make sure she's washing, otherwise she just let's the water run for a bit then gets out. My DN doesn't care about being supervised and my DSIS figures when she does care she'll also care about washing properly. When she's at her dad's, he doesn't check on her tooth brushing or showering despite my sister having mentioned several times to him that DN is coming home smelly and sore. I picked her up from school on Monday and I could smell her breath and sweat immediately. She's on the cusp of puberty and does need to shower daily now. My sister has spoken to her about hygiene but DN doesn't care if she smells but then gets upset when she starts becoming sore down below.

DN says she goes to bed at the same time as her dad (I. E. late) waits for him to start snoring and then goes to get the ipad and snacks for herself. She is always extremely ratty on a Monday from lack of sleep. After she's finished on the ipad she gets into bed with him and he doesn't send her back to her room, despite DSIS having told him that it results in DN being extremely upset at home when DSIS won't let her share her bed.

My DSIS is exasperated with it all but thinks it's all just minor stuff that a court wouldn't be interested in so there's nothing she can do. I think DN is being neglected while with her dad and that my DSIS shouldn't keep letting it continue. DN is too immature to take responsibility for herself so I think DSIS should make sure things change. What do you think?

OP posts:
SookiesSocks · 01/03/2017 07:48

I am a little confused. You say she doesnt shower yet you say dad walks in while she is showering to use the loo. So which is it?

I sometimes need the loo when my 10 yo is in the bath, i just pull the curtain no big deal.

He sounds like a poor parent but neglect is a powerful word and I'm not sure it applies to this situation.
Other posters are right the soreness should not be happening after only a few days without a shower so a GP visit would be the obvious next step.

Can your sister speak to dad and explain that DD is going to the GP because of the soreness ( I tell ex about all dc medical appointments) and that maybe its an infection or just that DD needs to shower more?

The co sleeping wouldnt bother me if it doesnt bother DD my own 10 yo sometimes wants to sleep with me when she has been with her dad for a week and missed me.

The food thing is more difficult as he clearly has poor eating habits and will see nothing wrong in what he feeds her. Saying that a poor diet a few days a week as long as she eats healthy the rest of the time shouldnt cause too many issues.

cuirderussie · 01/03/2017 07:50

That sounds really unsettling to me and the first thing I thought was sexual abuse. It's really creepy to walk in on your 10 year old in the shower and let her sleep in your bed after kicking out your girlfriend. I have a daughter this age and she's already started to need more privacy about dressing, showering etc and we wouldn't dream of disrespecting her boundaries. I thought initially the dad just sounded like a lazy slob but it's sounding more worrying.

Rixera · 01/03/2017 07:59

Why would he only start sharing the bed with her so suddenly? What was his reason?
I mean. Come on. I'm half hoping this is a troll, it's all too obvious, but know from personal experience it could just as well be true. Poor girl.

Miserylovescompany2 · 01/03/2017 08:52

I'm slightly confused? You say your DN needs to shower daily, yet Thursday she doesn't, Friday morning she doesn't whilst under the care of your Dsis? You say she's sore down below after spending the weekend with her father on alternative weekends because she isn't showering? Yet you say DF has a poo whilst she is showering?

Why hasn't the soreness been looked into? If DN is strutting around in the buff and her down below area is red and inflamed wouldn't the parent have a duty to get this checked out? It could be as simple as the soap used at her fathers or it could be something more?

Junk food on alternative weekends isn't a huge issue if DN has a balanced diet usually? It's a bigger issue if its for a longer stretch of time though.

The sharing of a bed wouldn't sit right with me tbf, especially if it hasn't always been the way and only started fairly recently.

IamFriedSpam · 01/03/2017 08:55

He sounds crap but as he's only parenting for a few days it doesn't constitute neglect. Obviously if he was parenting full time - didn't ensure she showered and brushed her teeth, let her stay up very late and fed her a terrible diet it would be neglect. The difference is that for just a few days not showering and eating crap isn't the end of the world (although it definitely is rubbish and I'd be very annoyed about it).

brasty · 01/03/2017 09:49

I am hoping this is a Troll as well, as this just screams sexual abuse

WorraLiberty · 01/03/2017 09:53

I think it's weird how the OP has an answer for absolutely everything.

Well, apart from 'Why hasn't the girl's mum taken her to the doctors'.

AlmostAJillSandwich · 01/03/2017 10:05

Are you seriously telling me none of you grew up in a one bathroom house where people came in to use the loo whilst you were in the shower?
It is NOT creepy, weird, abusive etc, if you need the loo you need the loo, and it's her dad FGS,. Unless it's a case of a clear/see through shower curtain or a clear glass pane you cannot see anything, when i was a kid it was common for my dad, mum or sister to knock to tell you they were coming in for the loo whilst you were in there. Me and my sister used to terrorise each other and chuck a glass of cold water round the curtain at each other before running out when we were done.

FlyingElbows · 01/03/2017 10:08

Can we report threads as a whole or just individual posts? This screams fetish troll.

londonrach · 01/03/2017 10:09

The soreless needs looking into

AlmostAJillSandwich · 01/03/2017 10:11

Another point, nobody seems to care Dsis supervises Dd in the shower, why is it ok for her mum to watch her shower, but her dad simply being in the room to use the loo is scandalous? How do you expect her dad to force her to wash without being in the room? Nobody can force someone to wash, unless they physically wash them, DD in this case is more than old enough to wipe herself after the loo, and wash herself. If she's getting sore it's because she's not caring for her own hygiene, surely her mother is the one who taught her to wipe etc and hasn't taught her well enough? Sleeping in the same bed as her dad isn't creepy either. Why does everyone jump to "there must be sexual abuse" the girl sees him only every other weekend, she just wants to spend time with him. Just because it is something you wouldn't do, doesn't make it creepy, wrong or abusive. She's old enough to have learnt to cook, even if her dad doesn't make her a meal she can surely make toast, beans, microwave scrambled egg? Plenty of kids use washing machines, cook full meals on stoves, wash up, hoover, iron etc at that age.

Losgunna · 01/03/2017 10:13

Just to play devils advocate for a minute regarding the soreness down below, it could be caused by toilet paper. I know I can't use any that are scented, but my mum used to get the scented kind. I had to have ordinary paper I became very red and sore, the same with scented sanitary towels. It stops and starts quickly after stopping /starting usage too.

It could well be innocent and I would hesitate to jump to conclusions of something sinister going on, though if that was ruled out I would be concerned too.

FlissMumsnet · 01/03/2017 10:14

Hi Everyone,
Thanks a lot for the reports, we are taking a closer look at this thread.

LIZS · 01/03/2017 10:15

What activity keeps her up so late on a school night? I suspect there is fault on both sides, but it is easier to shift responsibility to ex. Does she have any sn such as sensory issues ( thinking hygiene and eating for example)

thunderbuddy · 01/03/2017 10:22

Glad this thread is being looked at.

Just wanted to add that my dc1 is a teen although some mild SN and we have huge battles around personal hygiene, it leads to arguments and battles.

Mine has no inhibitions where lack of clothing is concerned either

I'm sure SS would not be so worried about a child not washing for two days given that she does have access to a shower.

Silverstreaks · 01/03/2017 10:27

My DD is sometimes sore and its usually because she's in a mad dash to get back to whatever she is doing and doesn't wipe after a wee. She's 10! I'm sick of having to remind her but its obviously just not one of her priorities.

reuset · 01/03/2017 10:29

I think it's weird how the OP has an answer for absolutely everything.

Well, apart from 'Why hasn't the girl's mum taken her to the doctors'.

Yes definitely that. Also another question about sexual abuse was ignored. Weird. Like I said earlier it seems familiar, the situation, and the tone

Maudlinmaud · 01/03/2017 10:33

YY silverstreaks that's a common problem in this house too.

RainbowCake · 01/03/2017 10:48

Hmm sorry this screams either abuse (ignored by Op), medical issue or tell me your tales of preteens getting sore.
Someone definitely needs to see a professional for treatment whichever it is.

ghostspirit · 01/03/2017 11:19

I wonder what's going on at the mums and the father. Maybe there really is no abuse going on. But I don't think anyone needs to be in the bathroom with a 10 year old. As I said earlyer you know if they have washed or not you don't need to be in bathroom with her to know that.

I don't think it's worry that she gets into bed with dad. It's the other stuff being said that builds it up and that's what making it become worrying. Ie the soreness. The dad kicking the gf out of the bed so Dd can get in. The getting into bed has been over the past year. Not a thing she's always done.

Then with the mum in the room with her when she showers to make sure she washes as I said above that's not needed. The mum brushing her teeth for her. She should be doing them things herself. But I'm also thinking if she does not shower herself or brush her own teeth maybe she does not wipe herself properly or maybe not at all.

Anyway I agree a visit to the gp is needed

AlmostAJillSandwich · 01/03/2017 11:28

Is the activity she does on a Friday strenuous and cause lots of sweating? That is probably the cause of the soreness, especially if she isn't showering that sweat off after and getting dry.
Sometimes in summer especially i get red/sore skin in my groin creases due to the fact i have frequent nightmares and wake up soaked in sweat. It dries out my skin and makes it very sore. One time it lead to a thrush infection of the skin (but not vaginal) and i could barely walk, took nearly 2 months to get to see a doctor and get thrush cream to treat it, sudocrem and savlon did nothing for it. I shower daily, wipe very well and use moist wipes as well as dry tissue then dry properly after so it wasn't anything to d owith bad hygiene, i just couldn't control the extreme sweating when i had nightmares.

Rixera · 01/03/2017 11:34

Pp who said 'no one criticises the mum for supervising'
No, no one criticises anyone for supervising. What is being criticised is the man barging in and shitting as she showers rather than, for eg, doing what the mum does. Which is talking and supervising.
Furthermore, the soreness only occurs at her dad's. Defecating in the same room as someone does not, to my knowledge, cause sore privates to develop.
Nor does sleeping uninterfered with.
If it were only happening with her boundary less mother, I'd similarly accuse the mum.

ShowMeWhatYouGot · 01/03/2017 11:46

Neglect is the ongoing failure to meet a child's basic needs.

She has food, (not healthy but still food) she has a roof over her head, I assume she has clothes, she also has access to shower and be clean, but chooses not too, Not neglect in my eyes.

vjg13 · 01/03/2017 11:47

Agree with the posters saying soreness us probably due to not wiping properly.

Maybe a trip to lush to get some products to use at her Dad's? Bath bombs, shower jelly etc.

FuzzyFalafelz · 01/03/2017 11:58

Soreness could very likely be due to not using loo roll properly.

Is she too old for a health visitor? Ring the local GP and ask for HV contact details to discuss the issue. The dad clearly needs some guidance about bedtimes, appropriate viewing, diet, cleanliness. Maybe a health visitor home visit could be the right thing?